Dead stations

Yanlin · Post by **Yanlin** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:24 pm

time to be the ever so flamed voice of reason...

it's still a lot of work.

alleg players aren't much of graphic fans (duh)

alleg doesn't receive any funding (donations yes... but it's not much)

development is time consuming

the back-burner is already over-flooded

games already take to much time

the work might span over 2 years. by then something important might happen...

etc

strike700 · Post by **strike700** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:41 pm

Endri wrote:QUOTE (Endri @ Mar 9 2007, 11:04 AM) Since we are talking about stations, would it also be possible to add some explosions while the station is taking damage. I mean when it hits 50% hull for example there is a small one, and at 25% there is a bigger one. Just two would be fine, to give some visual representation of damge as opposed to simply watching a bar go down. I know people are thinking baddle damaged textures but I figure that's too much trouble of a code change right now. But I think the explosions would not be too difficult to implement.

Well, I was thinking what might also work is create an "explosion graphic" that was displayed when a missle object is removed (detonated, timed out w/e) Might be a bit easier then constantly checking base health, and it also could extend to ships.

--Strike700

Avalanche · Post by **Avalanche** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:10 am

I wrote a patch for that last year. Sooner or later it will find it's way into the code. Sadly I included some other stuff (impact effects on ships from missiles) so I might have to create a smaller patch just with the explosion code to get it into the game, as people here are a little rabid about gameplay changes /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Noir · Post by **Noir** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:49 pm

Meh. For ease of coding, just make all dead bases from any faction use the same dead base model... something generic. Later, if it seems to work out, unique faction models can be made, code can be added and cores updated.

Salvage constructor... hmm. This kind of ruins the whole scorched "earth" theory of the game. I guess it could be left up to the core devs if they want to allow Salvage Con research. Maybe an additional Game Setting option? Options are good.

madpeople · Post by **madpeople** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:07 pm

_SRM_Strike700 wrote:QUOTE (_SRM_Strike700 @ Mar 9 2007, 10:41 PM) Well, I was thinking what might also work is create an "explosion graphic" that was displayed when a missle object is removed (detonated, timed out w/e)
--Strike700

that would be exp20bmp.mdl
http://www.freeallegiance.org/forums/index...ost&p=63980

someone may make a highres version, of it whether that would be bigger i don't know.

but a different one for when it dettonates as opposed to times out could be cool

Psychosis · Post by **Psychosis** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:47 am

Noir wrote:QUOTE (Noir @ Mar 10 2007, 07:49 AM) Meh. For ease of coding, just make all dead bases from any faction use the same dead base model... something generic. Later, if it seems to work out, unique faction models can be made, code can be added and cores updated.

Salvage constructor... hmm. This kind of ruins the whole scorched "earth" theory of the game. I guess it could be left up to the core devs if they want to allow Salvage Con research. Maybe an additional Game Setting option? Options are good.

well, just leave it with the dead bases for now, that should make things interesting enough

Anguirel · Post by **Anguirel** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:48 pm

Please don't use Thorium. From a core-perspective, that's a valid tech rock which may see use in future cores. IIRC, there are two other rock types available. Gold (all tech bases) and Water (nothing can build). I suggest using Water, if it actually exists.

If we ever get a more robust core file system, we can discuss making dead stations capturable/repairable in some fashion. Until then, I'd rather they either end up unusable, or that only tech-bases go to dead stations (normal asteroid) with bases that build on normal rocks ending up completely destroyed.

Avalanche · Post by **Avalanche** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:27 pm

I am still working on getting the spawning to work correctly. I will make sure it gets propper settings so nothing can build on it.

mdvalley · Post by **mdvalley** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:35 am

If we had to, we could just add a bool property on the asteroid object to mark it unbuildable. Then just test for that when ordering a con to a rock.

Dogbones · Post by **Dogbones** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:14 pm

I agree with Noir, just use a new, default, destroyed base model. Make it a station with dumbed down properties (cannot dock, launch, rip, no scan, etc), not a rock. This is an aesthetics thing at the moment, future dev can deal with special destroyed station, salvage, etc, which would be much easier when we expand/improve the core.

On destruction of base, 'build' destroyed base or key into the code that turns a regular sup into an advanced sup and avoid the 'build' code. Which ever is easier to code and results in the new model. I think the build might be nicer with a modified build 'sphere' that looks like an explosion, so the model just doesn't change from the base to the destroyed base all at once.