Great article on Michele Bachmann

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:23 am

hey i heard america was pretty $#@!in awesome in the great depression, if you had money

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:28 am

TakingArms wrote:QUOTE (TakingArms @ Jul 1 2011, 04:19 PM) Depends on how you define "best health care"

If you have $$ and you want the best treatment money can buy, you come to the US.

If you are an average citizen and just want to get treatment, well.. you're probably better off in europe or canada.

Or just have a job. The average US healthcare plan isn't bad... its better than whats defined as "Gold" by Obamacare.

Still, if you have to pay out of pocket for a healthcare plan its freaking expensive.

If you were to merely make the Federal government the national insurer and keep the same payment system that CMS uses, it would do very little to actually reduce costs in the long run. In the short run it would have some efficiency gains, but those are one time savings. The massive leverage of a national insurer could do some very heavy handed bargaining with healthcare providers, but as evidenced by CMS, it doesn't work as well as you'd think.

No we would have to move to a more Kaiser style closed health-care delivery system to see savings... a national insurer isn't needed for that. The Mayo Clinic is another shining example of a super high quality, low cost provider... note I use the term "low cost" loosely, health-care coverage is expensive as all hell regardless if your from the US, the UK ,or any other first world country. The only difference is that the US has already fallen off the deep end while the other nations are simply careening towards the edge.

In the long run were all screwed.

minigun · Post by **minigun** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:17 pm

minigun wrote:QUOTE (minigun @ May 9 2011, 03:37 PM) oh....just you wait till' bachman becomes president. *facepalm* it will happen.

NightRychune · Post by **NightRychune** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:10 am

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Jul 1 2011, 07:28 PM) In the long run were all screwed.

man i've been saying that for ages now

tsubaki_sanjuro · Post by **tsubaki_sanjuro** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:39 am

NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Jul 6 2011, 01:10 AM) man i've been saying that for ages now

when things go badly wrong there is nearly always a small number of people who profit from it. agri just hopes its agri.