Bios Changes

Malicious Wraith · Post by **Malicious Wraith** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:12 am

DasSmiter wrote:QUOTE (DasSmiter @ Feb 20 2011, 06:54 PM) Obviously peoploe want the payday nerf rolled back so we'll be doing that.

This is stupid - Who cares what "people want"? If you want to take that road, I contest that people want balanced factions and gameplay that relies on skill more than they want the bios paydays rolled back.

This is just like asking someone if they want endless social security, sure they do.
Or if they want no taxes, sure they do.

But if either of these things come true, there are worse side-effects that people aren't always knowledgeable of. This is why the Community Core has been consolidated into a few select individuals who are supposed to know the ins and the outs of the game better than the masses. You are not here to conduct polls, you are here to make the core better.

So do it, god damnit, stop doing what people ask you to do. Use your brains, and make your own decisions.

Heyoka · Post by **Heyoka** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:15 am

Lt-ints.

SpaceJunk · Post by **SpaceJunk** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:33 am

Heyoka wrote:QUOTE (Heyoka @ Feb 21 2011, 03:15 AM) Lt-ints.

Not yet another, please.

Bring back Bios gunship strat.

Heyoka · Post by **Heyoka** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:40 am

SpaceJunk wrote:QUOTE (SpaceJunk @ Feb 20 2011, 09:33 PM) Not yet another, please.

Bring back Bios gunship strat.

Okay, okay,

How about really fast fighters with-out missiles.

Jimen · Post by **Jimen** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:38 am

DasSmiter wrote:QUOTE (DasSmiter @ Feb 20 2011, 06:54 PM) This is just about every proposal in the Bios thread. Just one example of how ridiculous things get with community suggestions

Obviously peoploe want the payday nerf rolled back so we'll be doing that.

What are people's suggestions for rolling back Bios? To what period?

I know Spunky has his idea of what Bios should be, but I'd like to see some other opinions before we just shove Bios back to 1.25 or whatever

Sweet Christ, are you really going to go with this stupid "balance via poll" @#(!? I get it now. You literally have no idea why anybody wanted Bios to be nerfed in the first place. You knew it was an insanely widely desired thing for some reason, but you didn't have the first clue as to what that reason was. So when you saw that people weren't satisfied with Bios post-nerf, you had no idea what to do, because you never really understood the problem we were trying to fix with the payday nerf. And instead of trying to identify the problem and brainstorm better fixes to it together with the rest of the CC team, or asking advice from reasonable people who are highly knowledgeable in the ways of Alleg and core balance, you decided to post a poll in the notorious @#(!house that is the public CC forum and let the weight of stupid goddamn numbers make your decisions for you.

So how is the new alternate core, anyway?

vogue · Post by **vogue** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:56 am

Heyoka wrote:QUOTE (Heyoka @ Feb 20 2011, 09:40 PM) Okay, okay,

How about really fast fighters with-out missiles.

+1

but they need the option to mount miniguns

Elzam_ · Post by **Elzam_** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:34 pm

vogue wrote:QUOTE (vogue @ Feb 21 2011, 01:56 AM) +1

but they need the option to mount miniguns

`gu I know where this goes

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:18 pm

Refresh my recollection ... I've only been here for 3.5 years ...

"Roll Bios back to some point before its many perks" ... what perks were made to Bios between MS 1.25 and DN?

Off the top of my head ... if I'm not mistaken, Bios used to have 90 second drones, their figs weren't capable of dropping prox, and didn't get MP1 for free with sup? What else?

Is that really what most people are voting for?

NightRychune · Post by **NightRychune** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:37 pm

well, gunships overall used to be ridiculous, and that was fixed in DN 00.04.60

figs got prox at some point in DN, pod ripcord speed was decreased/pod speed increased by a small amount in DN, and constructor/carrier build times were all reduced to 60 seconds. I am 95% certain that those are the only remaining perks that Bios has which it received during the DN era as an effort to help an utterly failing faction.

the largest problem I identified with Bios is that when treasures are on, it's very very very easy to essentially have advanced tech 15-20 minutes into the game - and though bios would lack advanced figs or heavy ints, they will still be able to get gat3, df3, mini3, whatever in a very short amount of time relative to other factions, which gives them simply absurd killing power. Bios with no access to early mk2 weaponry is a completely different beast than Bios WITH access to mk2 weaponry, but that's not something that will be changed here.

Spunkmeyer · Post by **Spunkmeyer** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:26 pm

MP1 was always free with sup. But they could only mount 1MP.

The only thing Viru didn't list (and probably most significant aside from the treasure issue, which is spot on) is all their small ships got a mass reduction and fuel boost, in a very roundabout way to make HC usable. It makes a lot more sense to reduce HC weight instead, which is what we are probably going to do.