Let's take a look at NG sbs

SpaceJunk · Post by **SpaceJunk** » Mon May 04, 2009 5:33 pm

Move NG to TTs and HTTs? Probably an NG HTT would become needlessly* expensive, but NG TTs could be used to cap the small stuff.

*unless the driver is so bad at capping the weird doors that really needs to use NG to cap after shooting the shields down.

Kltplzyxm · Post by **Kltplzyxm** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:02 pm

I think Clay has the right line of thinking. The only reason why we're discussing this is because someone thought that something we currently don't use should MAYBE be fixed. I think the game plays fine without it. We dont' hear people complaining about NG sbs not working. SBs do a fine enough job killing bases. NG would just be icing on the cake.

Even the idea of allowing NG to cap small bases - why bother? A small base can be easily destroyed by one or two SBs.

Given our current situation of one, if not two, additional factions being added to our cores, I think we just simply should cut the fat and get rid of unneccessary items. I would rather fly more factions than rarely used items given the choice.

Post by **zombywoof** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:10 pm

My point, whether or not it was clear as such (I can be confusing even to myself at times), was that if we are going to keep NG sbs then they need to be useful.

juckto · Post by **juckto** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:14 pm

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ May 5 2009, 05:18 AM) So it seems the suggestions in this thread are:
-Remove them
-Make NG SB's mount Hvy Cloak only (so you must have a starbase as most factions to use Ng SB's?)
-Slightly increase the NG SB's hull

Am I missing anything

You can get HC1 under garrison, can't you? And I didn't think people were talking about HC only, just allow them to mount it at all.

-make the research cheaper, or tie it directly to normal sb research.

CronoDroid · Post by **CronoDroid** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:56 pm

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ May 4 2009, 10:18 AM) Am I missing anything

1. Letting regular SBs mount NG
2. Reducing NG SB sig to normal SB levels
3. Increasing range on NG
4. Decreasing load time on NG

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Tue May 05, 2009 2:19 am

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ May 4 2009, 10:18 AM) Does this include eliminating NG from Belter's SY as well?

And they wouldn't be missed as they currently are because they are just so dang unusable.

So it seems the suggestions in this thread are:
-Remove them
-Make NG SB's mount Hvy Cloak only (so you must have a starbase as most factions to use Ng SB's?)
-Slightly increase the NG SB's hull

Am I missing anything

My suggestion was to tie NG SBs to heavy bombers (or other expensive tech in order to make NGs extremely late game tech). Also, do what it takes with tweaking range, sig, mount time etc. so they can fire on an adv techbase within 10 seconds of being eyed. (Skilled pilot vs. skilled defense should still succeed 25-50% of time, provided NG isn't found earlier what with its higher base sig).

Or remove. I'm good with that too.

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Tue May 05, 2009 3:38 am

unless you are perking ng sbs hull by alot it wont mean anything except to belters. also i almost said exactly what juckto said before i scrolled up and read his post =)

edit: well his first line anyway

Post by **Raveen** » Tue May 05, 2009 1:08 pm

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ May 4 2009, 06:18 PM) Does this include eliminating NG from Belter's SY as well?

And they wouldn't be missed as they currently are because they are just so dang unusable.

So it seems the suggestions in this thread are:
-Remove them
-Make NG SB's mount Hvy Cloak only (so you must have a starbase as most factions to use Ng SB's?)
-Slightly increase the NG SB's hull

Am I missing anything

I'd say remove NG SBs, Clay makes an excellent argument as to why.

Rethink NG in SY as part of the wider scale SY rethink that Apoch mentioned - probably for all factions, not just Belters. it makes some sort of sense for SY to be the only kill or capture techpath and also means that if another tech buys SY as a secondary tech then they get the option to kill/capture with it in addition to whatever tech they currently have.

Post by **pkk** » Tue May 05, 2009 6:49 pm

Clay_Pigeon wrote:QUOTE (Clay_Pigeon @ May 3 2009, 06:06 PM) Let's eliminate NG sbs altogether. I doubt they will be missed.

There is nothing else to say...

Clay_Pigeon · Post by **Clay_Pigeon** » Tue May 05, 2009 8:04 pm

For the record, I think NG Cruisers is a different matter that should be addressed separately.