HEYA
I'd like to start this with explain the situation Allegiance is in.
We have 62 players and only a few new ones actually stayed.
We have a marketing campaign going on and that's good.
BUT we found ourselves in front of a roadblock.
The people in power don't allow others to do the main stuff that needs to be done (Installer, key map, website redirection and so on ).
The thing I can't wrap my head around is why, the people in power refuse help and then we are stuck with this stupid status quo, who will eventually lead to allegiance's demise.
What we can do tough, is change the keyholder in order to move things along (no PKK we don't want to condemn you or expel you), but either you give us access so we can help, or you do all the things we need yourself).
I want to end this thread with thanking AEM, Dome, Djole, and Xjammer and Factoid for their hard work.
Thoughts?
General situation
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MagisterXF94
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Allow me to take over for our dear Italian friend.
This has been the general theme of most Mumble discussions -
The game is on its last, last leg. It has been for awhile.
But in light of this, several people started putting in some work to keep the game concept alive. Great.
AEM has a better website ready to go. We need to use it. Now. This will require PKK coordinating with AEM. I'm familiar with everything entailed, and know this would be minimal work.
We need a new keymap in the installer. Now. PKK, again. I made an installer yesterday. I know this would require minimal work.
We need either an on-demand install or separate high res and low res installers. Now. PKK, again. Minimal work.
We have the best gameserver we've ever had as far as keeping low pings for both North American's and Euros. $#@! yeah, AEM.
The Facebook Ad campaign has minimal effectiveness while both the website and the game look like crap - so even though PKK isn't directly involved with the ad campaign, he's directly involved with its actual effectiveness in player attraction and retention, since he controls this website and what's in the installer listed here. Again, to maximize the effectiveness of this - minimal work.
Basically everything that needs to be done - and has needed to be done for years - is reliant on PKK actually doing them (or allowing someone else), and he could have all of it done in a matter of hours, and we'd be seeing the most progress we've seen in 14 years.
So PKK, are you going to do any of these things? It's basically been a big game for the past months for the marketing team to actually get any information out of you as to what you have done, are doing, or intend on doing.
All signs point to basically this - nothing, nothing, and nothing. Because there's always some crisis. You don't have internet access. Your workplace got hacked. You don't have the access you need. No action is needed. Nothing can be done. Everything is hopeless. The world is ending. You gave up.
If I had the access and skillset you have, I'd have everything done in a matter of hours from this moment.
Instead I have to beat my head over my keyboard to teach myself the stuff you already are familiar with, while you keep necessary access from everyone, and seem to be unwilling to do anything yourself.
and what's worse, You state everything matter-of-factly and are frequently wrong while doing so, you talk to everyone like they're idiots, you make responses to things that are unrelated to the questions asked and just find ways to avoid answering questions, and just generally discourage everyone who tries to do anything, while you make little to no attempt to do anything on your own, and roadblock the rest of us.
You are the biggest hindrance in this game and have been for some time - ask anyone on the marketing team and they'll tell you the same thing. It's been talked about every week. For months.
I got TE to give you power over everything because I thought you were a proactive person. I was wrong. Do your job or let someone else do it, or we'll go somewhere else where have the access to do it on our own.
We're done waiting for you to do something. You've had a very long time to produce something positive and tangible. Your time is up.
-Sincerely, the Allegiance Community.
This has been the general theme of most Mumble discussions -
The game is on its last, last leg. It has been for awhile.
But in light of this, several people started putting in some work to keep the game concept alive. Great.
AEM has a better website ready to go. We need to use it. Now. This will require PKK coordinating with AEM. I'm familiar with everything entailed, and know this would be minimal work.
We need a new keymap in the installer. Now. PKK, again. I made an installer yesterday. I know this would require minimal work.
We need either an on-demand install or separate high res and low res installers. Now. PKK, again. Minimal work.
We have the best gameserver we've ever had as far as keeping low pings for both North American's and Euros. $#@! yeah, AEM.
The Facebook Ad campaign has minimal effectiveness while both the website and the game look like crap - so even though PKK isn't directly involved with the ad campaign, he's directly involved with its actual effectiveness in player attraction and retention, since he controls this website and what's in the installer listed here. Again, to maximize the effectiveness of this - minimal work.
Basically everything that needs to be done - and has needed to be done for years - is reliant on PKK actually doing them (or allowing someone else), and he could have all of it done in a matter of hours, and we'd be seeing the most progress we've seen in 14 years.
So PKK, are you going to do any of these things? It's basically been a big game for the past months for the marketing team to actually get any information out of you as to what you have done, are doing, or intend on doing.
All signs point to basically this - nothing, nothing, and nothing. Because there's always some crisis. You don't have internet access. Your workplace got hacked. You don't have the access you need. No action is needed. Nothing can be done. Everything is hopeless. The world is ending. You gave up.
If I had the access and skillset you have, I'd have everything done in a matter of hours from this moment.
Instead I have to beat my head over my keyboard to teach myself the stuff you already are familiar with, while you keep necessary access from everyone, and seem to be unwilling to do anything yourself.
and what's worse, You state everything matter-of-factly and are frequently wrong while doing so, you talk to everyone like they're idiots, you make responses to things that are unrelated to the questions asked and just find ways to avoid answering questions, and just generally discourage everyone who tries to do anything, while you make little to no attempt to do anything on your own, and roadblock the rest of us.
You are the biggest hindrance in this game and have been for some time - ask anyone on the marketing team and they'll tell you the same thing. It's been talked about every week. For months.
I got TE to give you power over everything because I thought you were a proactive person. I was wrong. Do your job or let someone else do it, or we'll go somewhere else where have the access to do it on our own.
We're done waiting for you to do something. You've had a very long time to produce something positive and tangible. Your time is up.
-Sincerely, the Allegiance Community.
Last edited by Mastametz on Wed May 21, 2014 9:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
There's a new sheriff in town.
PKK has been one of the most active and pro-active admins in allegiance community since Pook I think? (I wasnt around when Pook was in charge, so my view might be a bit biased on whatever stories I have heard).
The problem is that we do not have a person in charge that has the power to do "what he thinks is right" without having to come back and get a greenlight from the rest of the forum community. And every effort from people who can do things, but cannot commit the time to do them fully is met with "do it all yourself" attitude from the rest...
The problem is that we do not have a person in charge that has the power to do "what he thinks is right" without having to come back and get a greenlight from the rest of the forum community. And every effort from people who can do things, but cannot commit the time to do them fully is met with "do it all yourself" attitude from the rest...
That may be, and that's because we haven't had ANY proactive administration in between the Pook and PKK eras, which is precisely why the game activity has dropped to basically nothing._xJammer_ wrote:QUOTE (_xJammer_ @ May 21 2014, 01:46 AM) PKK has been one of the most active and pro-active admins in allegiance community since Pook I think?
Pook was EXTREMELY active and proactive, PKK is reasonably active and never proactive. Reasonably active and never proactive is a lot better than completely inactive - but still a long ways from being anywhere near adequate.
If PKK cannot handle being proactive - fine - then he needs to give the pro activeness keys to people who are willing, which is something he's shown time and time again that he's not willing to do.
Last edited by Mastametz on Wed May 21, 2014 9:08 am, edited 1 time in total.
There's a new sheriff in town.
AFAIK no one is stepping up to take over the bill of the "backbone" system of Alleg (lobby, auth- and update systems to name a few), and the required hardware. Than you are in "complete" control of the whole Alleg ecosystem and you can govern it any way you want. I feel confident PKK and TE would happy hand over the "keys" if someone makes a realistic proposal for a multi year resque plan.
Most people I know do not want to pay close to 1000 usd / year. Every year. And even it they would pay for it, not many people have the knowledge maintaining such a system. And even if they have the knowledge, or find someone who can, would it be rewarding to fund the hornets nest of Alleg?
Even after paying for the "backbone" system of Alleg you still need at least 1 game server to play on. Which, as any owner can testify, costs you hard earned dollars and a lot of time.
While having a "closed" backbone has it's disadvantages, it also prevented Alleg's dead by rage quiting "uberlords", blackmails, power abuse, or severe fatal errors.
AFAIK there was only one failed attempt to "clone" the Alleg ecosystem a few years ago.
Although imperfect, this is the best system there is at this moment. Yes, you need the admin's permission to change a single dot on the webpage, so it be.
Most people I know do not want to pay close to 1000 usd / year. Every year. And even it they would pay for it, not many people have the knowledge maintaining such a system. And even if they have the knowledge, or find someone who can, would it be rewarding to fund the hornets nest of Alleg?
Even after paying for the "backbone" system of Alleg you still need at least 1 game server to play on. Which, as any owner can testify, costs you hard earned dollars and a lot of time.
While having a "closed" backbone has it's disadvantages, it also prevented Alleg's dead by rage quiting "uberlords", blackmails, power abuse, or severe fatal errors.
AFAIK there was only one failed attempt to "clone" the Alleg ecosystem a few years ago.
Although imperfect, this is the best system there is at this moment. Yes, you need the admin's permission to change a single dot on the webpage, so it be.
I spend a thousand dollars a month on alcohol. 1000 dollars a year is almost nothing to anyone who makes any money, at all, ever.
I already pay for webspace that I can throw this site on. AEM is paying for our gameserver. We can easily make arrangements for ACSS and the server list.
It's all easily done. But we already have all done - we just have PKK preventing us from making good use of what we already have.
I already pay for webspace that I can throw this site on. AEM is paying for our gameserver. We can easily make arrangements for ACSS and the server list.
It's all easily done. But we already have all done - we just have PKK preventing us from making good use of what we already have.
Last edited by Mastametz on Wed May 21, 2014 11:56 am, edited 1 time in total.
There's a new sheriff in town.
Btw, a lot of the "control" that some perceive as an issue only spans alleg 1. With the amount of progress Factoid and Djole made on their "alleg2" projects, you would have a good chance setting up the required ecosystem around their code and kick it off as a new thing, rather than an extension of alleg as it is now. Plus you don't depend on the last 60 people quitting the game... or not being able to put it on steam or any other limitation that we are locked into.
Assuming that there is no reason all the components can't run on the same server, it would be no where close to $1000 per year. TestUS1 is $20 per month and I am hoping to drop that down to $15 when I get the time to set up a server on a new host, plus find someone in the community who can donate a MS server license (likely a student who can get one free through Dreamspark). Should easily have enough power to run all components required for Allegiance. I don't think it is as simple as that though. I am guessing we would have to start over with a new domain, user & forum databases, etc. I would not count on that being stuff handed over to anyone even if they were willing to host everything.
It's all easily done. There's no reason to be imprisoned by this relic of FAO structure if we can't make headway within it.
The idea that we're stuck using TE's hardware because everything is SO EXPENSIVE has long since been false. All the resources needed for this are cheap, now.
Don't we have stuff being hosted on like...TE's friend's hardware? Or some such nonsense. It's just stupid.
The idea that we're stuck using TE's hardware because everything is SO EXPENSIVE has long since been false. All the resources needed for this are cheap, now.
Don't we have stuff being hosted on like...TE's friend's hardware? Or some such nonsense. It's just stupid.
Last edited by Mastametz on Wed May 21, 2014 11:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
There's a new sheriff in town.