HTML5 Assistance

GhostMachine · Post by **GhostMachine** » Sat May 21, 2011 5:17 pm

I recently decided to get my hands dirty with web stuff again, and was kicking around HTML5 a bit. Is it worth really playing with it, or should I stick with XHTML1? I like some of the extra tags, but most of them look superfluous.

Also what else should I put my sights on to get myself back in the fold?

Post by **pkk** » Sat May 21, 2011 5:35 pm

HTML5 isn't finished yet, so stick with XHTML, because almost all browsers support it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of...engines_(HTML5)

SpaceJunk · Post by **SpaceJunk** » Sat May 21, 2011 6:12 pm

The meat is in CSS3 and JavaScript. (X)HTML is dead.

IMO, in the not very distant future developers are going to use the JavaScript DOM for anything fancy, instead of writing plain HTML. They will write a JS app, load it in the client and communicate with the server in JSON, XML or CVS. Clients nowadays are a lot faster than servers, and JavaScript engines have improved a lot (thanks to Chrome, which put the spotlight on that competition).

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Sat May 21, 2011 6:21 pm

In the not very distant future, there will be FIOS service everywhere, and all servers will be running SSD and everything will be $#@!ing instant all the time.

TurkeyXIII · Post by **TurkeyXIII** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:23 pm

SpaceJunk wrote:QUOTE (SpaceJunk @ May 22 2011, 04:12 AM) The meat is in CSS3 and JavaScript. (X)HTML is dead.

IMO, in the not very distant future developers are going to use the JavaScript DOM for anything fancy, instead of writing plain HTML. They will write a JS app, load it in the client and communicate with the server in JSON, XML or CVS. Clients nowadays are a lot faster than servers, and JavaScript engines have improved a lot (thanks to Chrome, which put the spotlight on that competition).

And every one of those future developers will be isolating themselves from everyone who doesn't allow scripts when browsing.

Bard · Post by **Bard** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:40 pm

TurkeyXIII wrote:QUOTE (TurkeyXIII @ May 21 2011, 02:23 PM) And every one of those future developers will be isolating themselves from everyone who doesn't allow scripts when browsing.

Yep.

I maintain a small whitelist of certain sites I allow scripts on, but the rest of them are on a per-visit basis and disallowed in general.

The web is a *hell* of a lot faster when you're not loading 27 kinds of scripted bull@#(! every time you click a link and it's safer too.

fuzz_windows · Post by **fuzz_windows** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:44 pm

The sooner the better IMO, a lot of the newer stuff doesn't change the basics of webdesign though.

EDIT:
Also server-side web programming is still the best way to go . . . Python, Ruby, PHP etc.

GhostMachine · Post by **GhostMachine** » Sun May 22, 2011 6:25 pm

i hear ya, so my original track of css => js + php is still good. I am already familiar with all three; I just need to get reacquainted with the basics and get deep into the libraries that are out there. Sounds like a plan.

refill · Post by **refill** » Mon May 23, 2011 2:10 pm

Bard wrote:QUOTE (Bard @ May 21 2011, 08:40 PM) Yep.

I maintain a small whitelist of certain sites I allow scripts on, but the rest of them are on a per-visit basis and disallowed in general.

The web is a *hell* of a lot faster when you're not loading 27 kinds of scripted bull@#(! every time you click a link and it's safer too.

My sentiments exactly.

My advice to coders, if I give temporary permission to allow a couple of scripts so I can interact with a website then I have to allow another to see the results. Which usually makes me go back to the beginning to start my query again. REALLY REALLY PISSES ME OFF!

REALLY REALLY DOES!!!!!!

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Mon May 23, 2011 2:53 pm

Yes, it's $#@!ing annoying.