Gunships suggestion

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:27 am

I've been thinking about gunships,

They are rather expensive and slow to get, unless you are Bios... and with Bios they are the 10 min timer. Neither aspect of them is very satisfying.

I think it could be a good idea to remove the starbase requirement, and have bombers be a prerequisite for GS research. This would slow bios down to 20 min (also making it so that GSs are not a thing to get in almost every bios game), and give all other factions some more flexibility with GS use. Note that it doesn't actually make getting them any cheaper.

There is the satisfying bonus here that a gunship is a modified bomber. It makes sense

Anyway, that's my 0.02€ on the subject.

guitarism · Post by **guitarism** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:10 pm

Makida · Post by **Makida** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:57 pm

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:01 pm

You don't have to go to all that detal in your responses people. We are all famous for our telepathic powers here at FAO.

I wonder if I should put up a poll. This is early, so I mostly wanted to hear if I had missed / miscalculated anything. Lots of reads, no pro/against arguments so far.

I suppose the suggestion speaks for itself. I'll rig up a poll.

guitarism · Post by **guitarism** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:46 pm

Fine then. I'll dissect it down piece by piece? Better?

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 30 2008, 04:27 AM) I've been thinking about gunships,

Really? I would stop that....

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 30 2008, 04:27 AM) They are rather expensive and slow to get, unless you are Bios... and with Bios they are the 10 min timer. Neither aspect of them is very satisfying.

They are both neither expensive nor slow. You are for some reason, equating GS's with a tech, like Ints or Enh figs. In reality, GS are a stopgag for LACK of tech. Notice how you can get them without getting a tech base. For their price your getting a ship that is VERY tough, with one of the best, and longest ranged turrets in the game, Skycap. Not to mention alot of hit points, shields and the front AC/Missile Combo. Before they were nerfed, they were nigh invincible dropping prox as well.

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 30 2008, 04:27 AM) I think it could be a good idea to remove the starbase requirement, and have bombers be a prerequisite for GS research. This would slow bios down to 20 min (also making it so that GSs are not a thing to get in almost every bios game), and give all other factions some more flexibility with GS use. Note that it doesn't actually make getting them any cheaper.

So lets ENCOURAGE their use! As a whole! What a GREAT idea! This way we'll have more noob commanders who buy GS instead of a real tech, with no other reason then to GET GS. Not to mention, we'll NERF THE EVER LIVING CRAP out of poor BIOS, who now will rely on nothing but basic figs until they get their 15k tech base up, and wait another 10 minutes to get ints/enh figs/sfs - not even counting the fact that they'll get bombed off the map completely, and won't be able to GS bomb at all anymore! Hooray!

Slowing down BIOS! Just what we need to do!

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 30 2008, 04:27 AM) There is the satisfying bonus here that a gunship is a modified bomber. It makes sense

No it makes you an idiot.

Lets see here. We want to A) make BIOS slower. - Why? So that we don't have to see BIOS's almost singularly early game tactic disapear completely. Adept, I guess you don't like getting killed by GS, fine. But just because you suck doesn't mean we should nerf something. BIOS Slower is a bad thing.

Encourage commander's to buy GS after bombers "Just because". - because we'd LOVE to have more of the team flying in circles instead of nanning. Screw a GS, get another BBR. Or 3 more nans! *gasp!*

I can go on I suppose, but it will only force me to add more personal insults to you Adept, and I think your wooden head has sustained enough already.
The problem with doing something like this is it has FAR reaching effects on only ONE faction, BIOS, while sustaining TINY upswings for other factions, all the while ENCOURAGING team and commander incompetence/aimlessness in the form of not getting tech/flying around in 3 man GS for no reason.

Get my picture?

So i'll say it again.

NO

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:00 pm

guitarism wrote:QUOTE (guitarism @ Dec 31 2008, 07:46 PM) Lets see here. We want to A) make BIOS slower. - Why? So that we don't have to see BIOS's almost singularly early game tactic disapear completely. Adept, I guess you don't like getting killed by GS, fine. But just because you suck doesn't mean we should nerf something. BIOS Slower is a bad thing.

Encourage commander's to buy GS after bombers "Just because". - because we'd LOVE to have more of the team flying in circles instead of nanning. Screw a GS, get another BBR. Or 3 more nans! *gasp!*

Thanks. Aside from the ranting that was what I was after.

You actually like bios getting GS in practically every game by the 10 min mark? I think this would rather make sure bios goes for early techbase instead.

I don't understand why you think this would encourage people to buy GS after bombers? I suspect they'd buy them for the same reason they buy them now. For base defence (for instance when going TAC), miner escort and so on.

Anyway, I appreciate seeing the reasoning. Calm down a little though.

Dorjan · Post by **Dorjan** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:09 pm

Gunships are pretty useless past enh tech aren't they?

So if a comm did get them before their tech base then they're asking to lose?

guitarism · Post by **guitarism** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:13 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 31 2008, 01:00 PM) Thanks. Aside from the ranting that was what I was after.

You actually like bios getting GS in practically every game by the 10 min mark? I think this would rather make sure bios goes for early techbase instead.

How does this promote BIOS getting an early tech base? All It's promoting is BIOS having no early D AT ALL. BIOS can go early tech base as it is now, save the 5k/10minutes. Why don't people do that more often? Because their team can't D usually. What does that say about BIOS? It says they need something early that would help with D - ergo - the GS. Simple if you look at it logically and think it through, not just speak outa your ass.

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 31 2008, 01:00 PM) I don't understand why you think this would encourage people to buy GS after bombers? I suspect they'd buy them for the same reason they buy them now. For base defence (for instance when going TAC), miner escort and so on.

Why do people spend money on alot of the stupid @#(! they do in this game? Why do people buy a second tech base before upping their first one, or not buy ints once they have an exp? Hm? Because they are STUPID. You put the option to buy GS right after BBRS AND PEOPLE WILL BUY THEM. "Oh cool! It has guns! Lets get it and fly around IN CIRCLES!"

And I like how you say right there, what they are used for now, and quote the "weakest" tech path. Well in the same way Tac can be weak on the D, so is BIOS early game. Refer to the first quote I analyzed there.

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 31 2008, 01:00 PM) Anyway, I appreciate seeing the reasoning. Calm down a little though.

No, $#@! you.

Edit for Dorjan - More often then not a com who is buying GS off the bat is going to loose. They don't last past enh tech, unless you buy something like SY and upgrade the turrets. It's been done before, but usually it's against a clueless team/com/they were insanely lucky. Or were just $#@!ing around.
I've been known to go Rix and buy GS, and then get hvy scouts (before you needed a tech base change). It's fun, but I lost more of those then I won.

amsunaakage · Post by **amsunaakage** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:07 pm

Psychosis · Post by **Psychosis** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:12 pm