Wiki: AllegSkill - Player's ranking

sgt_baker · Post by **sgt_baker** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:41 pm

This is the discussion topic for the wiki article: AllegSkill - Player's ranking

sgt_baker · Post by **sgt_baker** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:42 pm

Got the basic maths stuff down. Please help turn this in to something human readable.

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Clay_Pigeon · Post by **Clay_Pigeon** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:41 pm

I may be able to help. Can you explain Beta a little more?

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badpazzword · Post by **badpazzword** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:01 pm

Yeah, beta is the most buzzwordy term in the AllegSkill portion of the wiki. The name suggests it means "you have a measured skill, but you will actually perform a bit better or a bit worse".

amsunaakage · Post by **amsunaakage** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:11 pm

When i first read it in Alleg wiki, i got so confused ,

didn't catch up with all of it.

But then i read it on Microsoft's research, i understood every bit of it.

I read it in this order:

The TrueSkill™ HomePage
Detailed Description of the TrueSkill™ Ranking Algorithm
The TrueSkill™ Frequently Asked Questions
Then comes The TrueSkill™ Ranking System Calculator
Then comes The TrueSkill™ Ranking System Calculator Help

No offense, i understood everything of it from MS , so i was thinking (Actually recommending) if we did Quote some of it in our wiki, coz it is was explained better than some of you guys.

sgt_baker · Post by **sgt_baker** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:40 pm

amsunaakage wrote:QUOTE (amsunaakage @ Nov 29 2008, 12:11 PM) No offense, i understood everything of it from MS , so i was thinking (Actually recommending) if we did Quote some of it in our wiki, coz it is was explained better than some of you guys.

No offence, Amsun, but MS's Trueskill site is linked in the very first paragraph of the AllegSkill wiki. What MS's site doesn't contain is the vaguest hint of how the ranking algorithms actually work. If I were to ask you to calculate new ranks for a 10 vs 10, how would you achieve this using MS's site? The wiki content licence/copywrong wotsit explicity forbids plagarism of other sites and copywronged materials:

QUOTE You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource (see FreeAllegiance_Wiki:Copyrights for details). DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION![/quote]

QUOTE ©2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.[/quote]

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Edit: And imagine the @#(!-storm that would have ensued had we released AS without a detailed explanation of its inner workings. The haters would seize the opportunity to try us as minions of the dark arts. If the genuinely interested can't be arsed to follow the very first link provided on the AS wiki, that's their silly fault. At no point did I agree to spoon-feed anyone.

sgt_baker · Post by **sgt_baker** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:57 pm

Added

QUOTE This wiki will deal principally with the technical aspects of the system. For a layman's explanation of the basics, please see the Trueskill site.[/quote]

amsunaakage · Post by **amsunaakage** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:28 pm

sgt_baker wrote:QUOTE (sgt_baker @ Nov 29 2008, 03:40 PM) What MS's site doesn't contain is the vaguest hint of how the ranking algorithms actually work. If I were to ask you to calculate new ranks for a 10 vs 10, how would you achieve this using MS's site?.

I think I'm missing something hereWont this help http://atom.research.microsoft.com/trueski...calculator.aspx
I thought in case of 10 vs 10 i could work out my way through 8 vs 8

by calculating each player alone

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Or
We could build up our own AS Calculator instead

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sgt_baker · Post by **sgt_baker** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:38 pm

amsunaakage wrote:QUOTE (amsunaakage @ Nov 29 2008, 03:28 PM) I think I'm missing something here

Yes. The calculator supports a maximum of 4 vs 4, and assumes tha all players played the whole game.

QUOTE I thought in case of 10 vs 10 i could work out my way through 8 vs 8

by calculating each player alone

.[/quote]

I though you said you understood everything.

What Trueskill/AllegSkill definitely ISN'T is a bunch of discrete 1 vs 1 calculations.

QUOTE We could build up our own AS Calculator instead

.[/quote]

Possiblly if I have the time.

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amsunaakage · Post by **amsunaakage** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:26 pm

sgt_baker wrote:QUOTE (sgt_baker @ Nov 29 2008, 05:38 PM) I though you said you understood everything. What Trueskill/AllegSkill definitely ISN'T is a bunch of discrete 1 vs 1 calculations.

I'll read it all again see what i've missed.