Giving orders to miners

Vlymoxyd · Post by **Vlymoxyd** » Mon May 19, 2008 10:14 pm

There's just some things I think voobs should learn:

#1:
Not really a rant(which is why it's here), but I had to boot a guy today(who replaced nanny as my last booted guy, gj). He sent 2 miners, 1 full, 1 empty, to a forward sector. The "funny" part is that I had no idea which miner was full and which was empty, so I had to send both to the garr.

Then, there's a guy who told a miner mid low on hihiger to dock at an outpost mid high(there was he3 mid low but no mid high).

People keeps ordering full miners to he3 rocks or empty miners to refs...

So, it is just a little post to say: If you didn't watch the miner and have no idea if it's full or empty, let the comm manage his miners untill you know what is going on.

#2:

Most people who defend the miners will manage them. It's something I don't mind when I comm, but pls... if the miner is full and that there's a ref in the same sector, do not tell it to go to the ref... it's AI, no matter how dumb we all know it is, will do it by itself. Similarly, an empty miner will automatically move to the nearest full he3 rock and will mine it. You do not need to tell it to go to the rock. If you read #1, you understand why I overlook everyone who touch my miners, no matter what. Just don't give it useless orders cause you're bored or whatever. Obviously, there are situations where you might wanna make the miner mine a farther he3 rock(Let's say it's next to an enemy aleph) and it's ok to hand pick the rock it'll mine, but don't tell the miner to mine the rock that you know it's AI will make it mine anyway.

Ozricosis · Post by **Ozricosis** » Mon May 19, 2008 10:35 pm

I fail to see how telling the miner to go to the ref effects anyones gameplay but your own.

If I'm gonna defend your miners I'm gonna touch them more than the pedo bear on preschool graduation night.

olivedrab · Post by **olivedrab** » Mon May 19, 2008 10:42 pm

Vlymoxyd wrote:QUOTE (Vlymoxyd @ May 19 2008, 06:14 PM) So, it is just a little post to say: If you didn't watch the miner and have no idea if it's full or empty, let the comm manage his miners untill you know what is going on.

Ok, I'll confess I did move a miner once, trying to get it to the station when it was under attack. (You weren't comm, Grav was. Normally I don't move miners unless I'm told to.) I had no idea if it was empty or full, or even half full. It was at a He rock while it was being attacked, I was nanning it. I was trying to get it back to the station for safety so it would survive.

In that kind of sit, would you get upset if I moved it to the station nearby? Just wondering so I know if I should or not.

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Mon May 19, 2008 10:48 pm

Ozricosis wrote:QUOTE (Ozricosis @ May 19 2008, 06:35 PM) I'm gonna touch them more than the pedo bear on preschool graduation night.

promises promises

Evincar · Post by **Evincar** » Mon May 19, 2008 11:26 pm

i think that the general consensus is, if you are defending and it is attacked, 1)make it go back to base or 2)make it unload at ref. i don't think anyone would've been angry with you, but you gotta know personally each comm. Ie, if you touch my miners i'm going to evaluate what you are doing. if i don't think it's the right move, i'll reorder it. if you keep spamming orders i will boot you, but as long as you are correct or understand when i'm contradicting your order you are fine

neotoxin · Post by **neotoxin** » Mon May 19, 2008 11:47 pm

Evincar wrote:QUOTE (Evincar @ May 19 2008, 03:26 PM) i think that the general consensus is, if you are defending and it is attacked, 1)make it go back to base or 2)make it unload at ref. i don't think anyone would've been angry with you, but you gotta know personally each comm. Ie, if you touch my miners i'm going to evaluate what you are doing. if i don't think it's the right move, i'll reorder it. if you keep spamming orders i will boot you, but as long as you are correct or understand when i'm contradicting your order you are fine

But not everyone has such a liberal mindset when it comes to their miners/cons. I once got booted for ordering a miner to come to me whilst defending it. Asked the comm what was up, and he basically said no one touches my miners unless they ask. This happens a lot, especially when commanders don't have the time to pay attention (even though they should ALWAYS pay attention to miners).

Vlymoxyd · Post by **Vlymoxyd** » Tue May 20, 2008 12:50 am

The reason I hate when people gives useless orders to my miners is that they force me to double check what is going on to make sure that the order made sense. I used to trust people, but I kinda stopped when I noticed how stupid they could be. Once I decided to check every orders given to my miners I noticed how troubling the rate of stupid orders is. The number of people who will tell your full miner to mine a rock or your empty miner to dock at a ref is amazingly high, far beyond what I would have expected. There's also the guys who will try to mine next to the enemy sectors at a naked ref. Telling a full miner to go to a ref in the sector is a waste of time for the pilot and when I comm, it makes me focus on something I shouldn't have.

As for moving miners that are getting attacked, I don't think I've ever been booted for it, I sometime do it, but I still try to avoid it if I see that the comm is docked and yelling for miner d. That said, booting someone for moving the miners in an emergency situation, particularly if it was the right moves sounds wrong. Usually, you're safe if you do it and can save a miner. As others pointed out, just don't override the comm's order. But be carefull, I had a miner head to the enemy territory because someone gave it a "follow me" order but forgot to tell the miner to do other things.

ryjamsan · Post by **ryjamsan** » Tue May 20, 2008 1:00 am

Olivedrab wrote:QUOTE (Olivedrab @ May 20 2008, 08:42 AM) Ok, I'll confess I did move a miner once, trying to get it to the station when it was under attack. (You weren't comm, Grav was. Normally I don't move miners unless I'm told to.) I had no idea if it was empty or full, or even half full. It was at a He rock while it was being attacked, I was nanning it. I was trying to get it back to the station for safety so it would survive.

In that kind of sit, would you get upset if I moved it to the station nearby? Just wondering so I know if I should or not.

Yes in that sit I think your ok 99% of the time Olive.

In general let them com know 2 things, 1 how many miners you can hanle and D and ASK before hand if he would like you to handle the d and or miners.

Brood was com, I asked if it was ok to handle only 2 miners. I controled them completly. I had them mine low mid then low then mid mid low:) on hihi. I did have a nan with me(sorry I forget the name. WE did not lose a miner.

Meanwhile I saw where he sent the other 2 miners mid hi and hi and they got killed cause no one steped up to D them.

We ALL know miners are the life's blood of this game. For the 1st 30 min you have 1 mission in this game DEFEND or KILL miners. So step up and do 1 of the 2. Help your com look GOOD!

Also I see Mr Brood D this almost every game. He will D the hell out of the miners and we he wants a break he will pm someone to take over so he can go whore the enemy miners.

I'm sure other whores do this but Brood comes to mind.

quackdamnyou · Post by **quackdamnyou** » Wed May 21, 2008 3:29 pm

Vlymoxyd wrote:QUOTE (Vlymoxyd @ May 19 2008, 05:50 PM) The reason I hate when people gives useless orders to my miners is that they force me to double check what is going on to make sure that the order made sense. I used to trust people, but I kinda stopped when I noticed how stupid they could be. Once I decided to check every orders given to my miners I noticed how troubling the rate of stupid orders is. The number of people who will tell your full miner to mine a rock or your empty miner to dock at a ref is amazingly high, far beyond what I would have expected. There's also the guys who will try to mine next to the enemy sectors at a naked ref. Telling a full miner to go to a ref in the sector is a waste of time for the pilot and when I comm, it makes me focus on something I shouldn't have.

The reason I sometimes send a full miner to the ref, is so I can remember (by looking up in the chat log) which miner is supposed to be unloading. I use it as kind of a log marker. It also acts as a signal to the rest of the team that I'm managing the miner.

However, if I know the comm is watching the miners, I won't worry about that kind of micro.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:35 pm

neotoxin wrote:QUOTE (neotoxin @ May 20 2008, 02:47 AM) But not everyone has such a liberal mindset when it comes to their miners/cons. I once got booted for ordering a miner to come to me whilst defending it. Asked the comm what was up, and he basically said no one touches my miners unless they ask. This happens a lot, especially when commanders don't have the time to pay attention (even though they should ALWAYS pay attention to miners).

I do that when I need to to save the miner. Haven't gotten booted for it yet. If this happens, I'll make a mental note (pun intended) about the commander, and try to fly for the other guy instead in the future.