Restructuring of power

Barrager · Post by **Barrager** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:42 am

To be honest, I have been gone for the past few days and Recent events seemed to have exploded out of nowhere!

So as a Senator and hopefully peace keeper I'm asking for you opinion on this matter.

What it truly seems is that there is too much Public opinion with little power involved. People are going through all the wrong ways doors to get there way. there has to be a more Organised system. not everything can be solved but also EVERYone doens;t need to say there own little peice on the subject. it leads to Too mcuh here say and chaos and in the end it accomplishes nothing. I'm proposing we actually use our System, that we Use the Senate hearing and that the Senators Do there jobs and Represent the people of their squad and decide on such actions like the interpration of the ROC and a fair trial to Perma Banning anyone to the Community. It would appease most to know that the Argument is being Sorted out and PUBLICLY on display. I also Feel each of the PermaBans recenetly Devled out should be heard, argued and defended In a civil matter in an organised fashion on the Senate hearing, while the Public can hear it and the Senators can vote on it. Not to mention The quads have influence and power over there Senator so USE IT ACCORDINGLY! you as a person can Correctly influence and sway the outcome of these acts if you use it correctly.

I'm proposing that a trial should be contructed for the people currently being Permabanned and this way we can Fairly reach a consensus without the feelin of abuse to power. Literally having "lawyers" dispute the evidence so that they can see fit to present the most pertinent subjects of the situation and ciphen out the jibberish. becuase the public Feud IS definately a path that ultimately lead ot the end of this game

The Senate is very much a Neutral Source atm. BV, TE, Thal, and others who have the real power are willing to abide as long as there is reasonable peace and stability as a result

Also Please Restrain yourselves on posting here, Only post if you have any input to add or denounce on what I HAVE SAID and not of what others who already poster here have said

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:49 am

The last thing Allegiance needs is a 'more organized' system of government.

What it needs is less government. The admins need to go back to doing what they do best: Booting or banning cheaters & detrimental hackers and let the server admins worry about what goes on inside their walls (you know, talking). The 'senate' decides on gameplay changes, the @alleg make sure no hacks are giving someone an advantage or crashing people from games. That's it. We do not need three branches of government. We do not need a President/Prime Minister, we do not need a bureaucracy.

This is a game. Not a country.

Spunkmeyer · Post by **Spunkmeyer** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:59 am

Here's how it works:

You ask/try to convince Thalgor/Pook what powers they are willing to delegate to the senate, and what powers they will keep with themselves and the admins.

They give you the lowdown.

If you don't like it, you setup your own lobby, probably without ASGS.

Done.

Barrager · Post by **Barrager** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:59 am

In repsonce to Orion, Frankly that is currently how it is... And Frankly it's falling apart, I'm trying to think of something here that will stop this current uproar. The recent past events have been drastic and caused alot of uproar, Do you really think it's gonna settle down with us Unscathed with nothing to change? I'm not talking about everything to go through the Senate thats Insanity. I'm talking about a more Public and Official way of doign things. For instance Interprating the RoC should be Discussed in a more controled fashion, so a desicion can be reached. Nothing gets Decided in the current system and its too late to just Close the doors and Keep Admin and Public all togethor Seperate, and do there own thing. people have gotten too involved. Frankly, all thats happened was handled the Wrong way becuase of how things are now. An Open source game with a small Community is hard to govern and keep everyone togethor on it

As for "Guilds" What I mean is some represation to the Programmers of the came, the core Developers and the Main Server Providers to have a say in the senate.

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:21 am

Frankly, that isn't how it is. And that hasn't been how it is since before ASGS.

ASGS was originally intended to keep the cheaters out, but it wound up being a means of governing people.

Post by **Tigereye** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:37 am

Now that the dust is starting to settle after yesterday's fireworks, we don't need to start dragging it through the mud in a public 'trial.'

The senate is perfectly capable of voicing their squads' opinions on the results of yesterday's events (albeit in a very slow manner)

As far as 'restructuring of power' goes, please read the blog post I wrote when I was given "the stick", and the posts in the senate forum regarding my ideas for a proposal to improve the way the senate works.

I do hear the folks who are saying the recent permabans are a good thing.
I do hear the folks who are saying the recent permabans are a bad thing.
and I definitely have heard and continue to hear the folks who have said the recent crackdown did more harm than it did good. Luckily that issue has been resolved.

The senate is deciding on whether or not it should be revisited, and I really don't think dragging everything through a public display will accomplish anything other than turning into a useless dramafest.

--TE

jgbaxter · Post by **jgbaxter** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:40 am

Barrager I find your thoughts admirable though completely lacking in both substance and thought. /huh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":huh:" border="0" alt="huh.gif" />

While I do agree that a reworking is probably needed to help the community better represent itself... people should not take it upon themselves to do so without consulting others before making a full and informed proposal. At the very least if you're looking to make a proposal please consider spell check.

Our senators should be talking to their constituents first to find out what, if anything, should be changed.

No disrespect intended to you Barrager, I really dislike this thread though. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Ozricosis · Post by **Ozricosis** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:30 am

Next person to stand on thier soapbox and spout off a big essay on what this community needs should use spellchecker... lol

Da_Muck · Post by **Da_Muck** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:02 am

Might I point out that it MIGHT be something to make provisions for in case it is needed in the future? To be honest, next time something like this happens it would be good to have at least one post made by a third party speaking in favor of the action and citing their 'evidence' and one speaking against.

To be honest, some of what happened does strike me as being tried without representation. If in doubt, perhaps provide a mechanism to provide representation of some form if its needed in the future?

NakPPI · Post by **NakPPI** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:38 am

Ozricosis wrote:QUOTE (Ozricosis @ Oct 14 2006, 09:30 PM) Next person to stand on thier their soapbox and spout off a big essay on what this community needs should use spellchecker... lol

Beat me to it. lol

Seriously though, the only reason we have a Senate at all is because Thal/Pook allow it to be so. If they choose to castrate the Senate further, it is within their power to do so. It is my understanding that the Senate is coming to some kind of resolution to the recent asshatery, let us see what the conclusion of the Senate is before you suggest having trials with no rules of evidence. (Contrary to what you see on TV, real trials have rules that have been worked over for the past 1000+ years, I can only imagine what kind of cluster-f*k a trial via Team Speak would be like.)

Thanks,

Nak
Attorney at Law