Business as usual

Post by **Tigereye** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:53 pm

It seems that once again, the Tiger is late to the party.

All I can say is, it will take a lot more than a small handful of people to ruin the work and dedication put forth by an entire community of players.

I'm sure they know this too, which is why they're trying to divide this community up into smaller groups making it easy to take it down.

Not if we all have anything to do with it.

If you don't like what's going on, voice your opinions like every other member in this community has a right to. If you still don't like what's going on - there's the door.

This community has survived far more than this trivial little battle. In fact - this has shown us more than any other time how much this community works together. You would be astonished to see how many PMs with offers of servers, hosting, time, money, and anything else everyone wanted to give of their own to help the community.

To everyone who enjoys this game: Thankyou!
To everyone who wants to take it down: There is the door.

--TE

Shizoku · Post by **Shizoku** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:09 pm

QUOTE If you don't like what's going on, voice your opinions like every other member in this community has a right to[/quote]

A lot of these posts started because of one member trying to voice his oppinion in a mature and uninflamatory(woo double negative!) way, and he had those posts removed, followed up with quite a nasty pm.

People see this as pretty ridiculous, and can see it as getting worse. They feel like they are being confined into a really small box, and finally just said, "this isn't fun anymore, either something has to change or I have to find a new game."

I am by no means excusing or condoning the personal attacks held against members I once respected, but I do agree that things have gotten far too tight and it is removing the fun factor.

I'm really sorry that these individuals have chosen this way of making their departure from this game. Despite being their friends and squad mates I must say, the way they've chosen to leave the community is completly devoid of class and has lowered my respect of them considerably.

Globemaster_III · Post by **Globemaster_III** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:29 pm

my way or the highway ? /mrgreen.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="mrgreen.gif" />

globey

xix36 · Post by **xix36** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:38 pm

maybe its because i dont spend much time in the forums, as real life is kicking my ass at present... but it seems that in the span of a week this community has turned into a group of poo slinging shortbus children....
i applaud the efforts people have made to keep the sanity, but there is a line between keeping order and arbitrary smiting of people because of disagreement with their positions....
i hope that this is just the curse of friday the 13th. i propose saturday we have a massive game to restore feelings of friendship while podding each other!

Ozricosis · Post by **Ozricosis** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:45 pm

QUOTE I'm really sorry that these individuals have chosen this way of making their departure from this game. Despite being their friends and squad mates I must say, the way they've chosen to leave the community is completly devoid of class and has lowered my respect of them considerably.[/quote]

After reading all of this, and being there when this all went down last night, I have to thank my friend Shiz for helping me out here. I could post my own feelings but they would only end up angry and upset.

I love my squad and all the people in XenoTech.

Greator_SST · Post by **Greator_SST** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:50 pm

...they'll all be back. Look at how many times Bacon resurrected himself. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

pedro0930 · Post by **pedro0930** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:00 pm

what exactly happened?

Cable · Post by **Cable** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:01 pm

I second what Shiz said. I too feel things are getting too tight. It seems to me like you guys take diseension and turn diseension into something evil. Disagreement does not have to mean you hate some one else. It simply means you do not agree with there train of thought.. Disagreement does not equall lack of appreciation. Frustration over how things are done often leads to people shooting off there mouth and not thinking. Around here we condemn the behaviour but never ever want to understand what causes it or take a shred of responsibility for it.

Out cries happen when people do not feel like their voice counts. Several People have made the post that disagreement = lack of appreciation. How dare you disagree because POOK has been so generous. YES,
Pook has been extremely generous, so has Thal. So have the entire Dev team, the people that have contributed funds, Noir AARM ...all the @ Alleg no one is trying to demean that.

Being generous does not mean yours is the only voice that counts it devaules your gift, it becomes less of a gift and more of a morsel of food to a hungry man.

Several members of the community do not agree with the level of @Alleg crack down. I for one do not. I have voiced my opinion to BV that we are getting to involved in the day to day game play.

A portion of the community feels the same way. The problem is masta and Night got carried away and when that happens this community does not address the problem they move there focus to the indviduals in question and how they preseneted the argument. comes into focus not the argument itself.

So much misdirection goes on that the core points are missed. Many people would like a lose game play environment with a little less admin intervention. Thats the bottom line. That request appears to be getting ignored.

Instead the same old line is used. Its Pooks ball there fore you can not disgree .

Pook....

I really really do appreciate your contributions.... I simply disagree with the current implimentation.

Can I say that and we still be friends ? I hope so.

Globemaster_III · Post by **Globemaster_III** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:19 pm

i love my cable /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Clay_Pigeon · Post by **Clay_Pigeon** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:02 pm

Cable wrote:QUOTE (Cable @ Oct 13 2006, 02:01 PM) I really really do appreciate your contributions.... I simply disagree with the current implimentation.

Can I say that and we still be friends ? I hope so.

I don't think this is quite fair. I've disagreed with Pook several times and voiced my disagreement. I don't feel like I've been unfairly targeted or harassed. I think this is true for lots of people. I can say that I don't entirely agree with the deletion of the thread that started this whole cluster$@#!. At the same time, I completely see where they were coming from.

When a child misbehaves in my class, I give them a finite amount of tolerance before I bring the hammer down. Usually a kid just needs a little correction (Hey Joey, don't set Michelle's hair on fire, k?). However, if they keep pushing the envelope, I snap and either send them to the office or give them a detention. Without fail, this unfolds one of two ways....

1) The kid does something entirely reasonable in an unreasonable way, such as sharpening his pencil, and smacking, grabbing or touching students on his way to and from the pencil sharpener. When I tell the kid that he has a detention, he responds "ZOMGZORS! I was sharpening my pencil! I can't believe you're giving me a detention for sharpening my pencil. I'm so oppressed in this white upper-middle class suburban school! OK! I'M NEVER SHARPENING MY PENCIL AGAIN. I'LL JUST HAVE TO FAIL. OH! LOOK LOOK! JENNY IS SHARPENING HER PENCIL! GIVE HER A DETENTION! NO? YOU'RE SO UNFAIR!"

Despite attempts at distraction, the students *real* offense is obvious: being an ass in the face of providing him with multiple opportunities to *not* be an ass. I equate this situation to the multiple instances of people pushing the rules by exploiting technicalities. Despite the screaming and claims that all of these new rules are oppressive, it is obvious to any uninvolved observer that no new rules are being made, and the people screaming the most are in the wrong. To people engaging in this behavior, I give you the advice that I give to most of my students in this situation: Grow the !@$$! up.

2) The kid whom has been causing problems all period is misbehaving with the group of other kids, whom really haven't been any trouble. A great example is a group of kids talking in class, and one of those kids has been a problem all period. I give that kid a detention, and I hear "This is so unfair! Everyone else was talking!!! I'm so oppressed (in this white upper-middle class suburban school)! You have it in for me, don't you?" While the child's objection is true, everyone knows that this is an incomplete representation of what really happened. Multiple kids were misbehaving. The ones who haven't been causing a problem got warned, because that may be sufficient for those kids. Warning was not effective for the kid who had been causing problems, so I tried something different. The uninvolved observer sees that this situation isn't being unfair at all, because while each student was involved in the same event, each student's situation is different. Kids that have a history of making trouble need to be extra-extra good if they want to reform their ways, because they've put themselves under the microscope by their past deeds. I equate this to the numerous accusations of unfair treatment. While there may be some valid cases, most of the people who screamed the loudest were also the people who drew attention to themselves by their misbehavior. My advice to those people is similar to the advice I give to my students: Don't be a dumbass and you won't have to worry about unfair treatment.

With this, I am done trying to do a postmortem on what happened. The event has already consumed 3 hours of my day off, and I'll be damned if it consumes any more.