Heavy Cloak...

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:22 am

lexaal wrote:QUOTE (lexaal @ Mar 11 2010, 04:22 PM) Isn't adv con, a camp and basic bbrs the endgame tech for expansion?

I'd think so too. Except for exp vs. exp matches ... those are always painful.

Maybe you can think of HTTs as exp's galv, seeing how it's much easier to cap an op than it is a techbase.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:22 am

mcwarren4 wrote:QUOTE (mcwarren4 @ Mar 12 2010, 04:18 AM) Adept, to be fair for discussion sake, RT's force cap wasn't exactly a force cap. The run was uneyed to begin with and we were mostly out of base forming up to rush a miner mid high. It was a nice run though.

I stand corrected.

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:43 am

I played two games today that were more or less even, in which the team with htts failed miserably

Solamnus · Post by **Solamnus** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:20 am

We won by capping 3 tech bases yesterday when Sai was commanding. I think using HTTs depend on the commander too, most of the comms dont buy HTTs.

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:57 am

wasnt that game on 1.25
i think it was

Solamnus · Post by **Solamnus** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:31 am

Broodwich wrote:QUOTE (Broodwich @ Mar 12 2010, 10:57 AM) wasnt that game on 1.25
i think it was

it was on CC_08, we were GT and AP HTT worked pretty well.

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:33 am

Solamnus wrote:QUOTE (Solamnus @ Mar 12 2010, 01:31 AM) it was on CC_08, we were GT and AP HTT worked pretty well.

gt specific tech can work, therefor htts are fine

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:41 am

yeah seriously
$#@!ing idiot

Gandalf2 · Post by **Gandalf2** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:21 pm

I was in an adv sup vs. exp game yesterday. The exp team didn't manage to cap anything (though they should've managed the dreg tac if someone didn't bounce of the doors twice, hah).

Anyway I really don't like the increasing the stealth component of htt-ing. It's very un-exp. They already have a stealth component, in lining up, plotting a route, clearing probes etc. Then when it's all in place, it's go-go-go to try and get to the green door through a maelstrom of battle. I like it, the problem is it doesn't work enough.

Presumably, the problem is seen to be that the opponents have too much time/firepower in which to stop the enemy. The firepower issue has been brought up earlier in the thread (that it may be that everything is getting to strong) and would be a big thing to fix, in which case we are presumably trying to fix the time the opponents have. (Although, making the htts heavier or something could indirectly help the firepower issue.)

If that is where the discussion is at, well, hvy cloak just seems like massive overkill and would massively change the nature of non-bios htt's as we know it. The whole big battle wouldn't happen so much, the htt would just appear 2k from the green door and you wouldn't really have much of a chance. It would almost be like they had stealth bombers. Surely there are less drastic ways to give the defenders less time? Knock 10-15% off the htt sig? Add a bit onto the speed?

Drizzo · Post by **Drizzo** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:15 pm

All 3 HTTs died on the green door. If the team had listened to me when I said "Cap their enh sup while we have hvy ints and they have df2gat2 enh $#@!ing figs." Instead of listening to Grav and buying a gay sup push that failed.

3 HTTs die to df3 gat3 mp2 adv figs <100m from the door IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF YOU LISTENED TO THE VET SOONER INSTEAD OF LATER HMM?

HTTs don't work because you try to use them in situations where they usually don't. Albeit if we had 1-2 more nans on 2 of the runs and less people who-were-not-broodwich-or-drizzo in ints we would have had a garr or a sup.