Nerf Bios and Rix, perk IC

Compellor · Post by **Compellor** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:11 am

Could you please expand on that, MrC, or point me in the direction of a previous explanation? Thanks.

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:20 am

Ah i remember when Rix had a crappy win/loss ratio and Noir still nerfed it.

Damn Noir, hes responsible for significantly less fun Rix Hvy scouts.

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:27 am

Compellor wrote:QUOTE (Compellor @ Apr 5 2010, 11:11 PM) Could you please expand on that, MrC, or point me in the direction of a previous explanation? Thanks.

It has to do with the new and improved AllegSkill rankings.

Doesn't look like we will ever see these though

MrChaos · Post by **MrChaos** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:27 am

Compellor wrote:QUOTE (Compellor @ Apr 5 2010, 10:11 PM) Could you please expand on that, MrC, or point me in the direction of a previous explanation? Thanks.

Compellor

It is only a percentage... it means nothing statistically tbt. There is no mean, variance, CI, or error for example. No effort was made to insure that something else isnt skewing the results say game size, players, commanders, etc. Even the total number of games played by a faction is ignored, which means the effects of a single win or loss is different for every faction.

Worse its very easy to manipulate the numbers to drive discussion in the manner you wish...

Again I leave it to others to get the core balance right, and how you do it including throwing darts at a dartboard is up to all of you. I just saw the debate and went, "I don't have to guess I know those values are for "fun" only"

I'll leave it at that and be on my way
MrChaos

Dorjan · Post by **Dorjan** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:56 am

NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Apr 5 2010, 10:51 PM) lol. The bios build time perks weren't even added until the later releases of DN, 00.04.50 and onwards. They had something like a 39% win rate at the time and we had a conversation about what to do to perk them, and it was decided we could try giving their miners and cons fast build times to give them a stronger opener and leave them less susceptible to being rushed into the ground early on. We also perked their pod speed and rip time (40mps -> 50mps, 25s rip time -> 20s rip time) at the same time and pushed the package out the door.

Unfortunately the blanket fighter perks made this even worse in the case of Bios because their figs had already had scale reductions in the first place, and those changes just made them that much better. In a straight dogfight with an IC lt int vs. a bios basic fig, you're lucky if you can hit them with more than 1 mini at any given time. That's how small they are, and coupled with their inherent reduced mass and agility, they can be very difficult to kill, which makes pushing hard in Bios' face early for your average pug team very difficult.

Here we are two and a half years later with nothing done to any of those changes in CC throughout its existence, and the topic of "bios is overpowered" has been coming up again and again over the past six months.

I didn't bother reading this thread past this post. But I'd like to point it out again.

Bios opening figs are one of the strongest opening ships. And considering you don't really need to protect your miners after your tech base goes in they can go on the offensive to wipe out the enemy econ forcing them on the defencive long enough..

I can't be bothered to go into it but yeah, read nights comments.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:08 am

NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Apr 5 2010, 11:36 PM) ...Gunships are also a problem, and on the overall scheme of things this and the problem with corvettes is solved by reducing the particle speed of Skycap by 50% and adjusting the particle lifetime in order to compensate, reducing them back to 1.25 levels. Currently they are far, far too accurate for an AoE weapon that any idiot voob can use well.
Rix: Remove the front-mounted MiniAC on Hvy scouts...

Good stuff.

Terran · Post by **Terran** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:43 am

perk gt!!!1!!!1!11!

with all these clever manipulations of stats, nobody noticed that in every version gt is under 45%?

NightRychune · Post by **NightRychune** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:06 am

UNDO THE GT YIELD NERF THEY NEED A BUFF!11!1

Happy now?

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:16 am

yeah, i remember the first thing the original cc team were obsessed with was nerfing gt because their econ was "too uber" or something

One-Man-Bucket · Post by **One-Man-Bucket** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:21 am

GT is not so bad. I'm gonna command them a lot and make them popular again!