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Sycrus wrote:QUOTE (Sycrus @ Jun 5 2011, 02:32 AM) You could hit someone in an artery and they could bleed out, but that takes 2-4 minutes

You can bleed out a lot quicker from an artery wound. Throat or groin are the quickest ways to kill with a blade.

bullets travel a very very long way past their "effective" range with plenty of power to still kill a person. Effective range is more considered how far away you can reliably hit a target of x size.

There have been plenty of extremely long range kills made with rifles or machine guns way past their effective range. I also saw a show where some guy was firing a pistol on a range, overshot the target because of recoil, and the bullet went through like 3 buildings of the thin aluminum variety (and i think over a hill) before coming back down in the back of some poor guy's skull in his office like a mile away

i await cam's arrival

HSharp wrote:QUOTE (HSharp @ Jun 4 2011, 06:52 PM) You can bleed out a lot quicker from an artery wound. Throat or groin are the quickest ways to kill with a blade.

Haha. 2-4 min is just a reference point, if I could stick a blade a taliban throat from 800m away, I would.

Brood, did you ever see that show with the Canadian picking off that Afghani from over a mile away? I vaguely remember it, but it proves shot compensation works

Sycrus wrote:QUOTE (Sycrus @ Jun 4 2011, 11:59 PM) Haha. 2-4 min is just a reference point, if I could stick a blade a taliban throat from 800m away, I would.

Brood, did you ever see that show with the Canadian picking off that Afghani from over a mile away? I vaguely remember it, but it proves shot compensation works

If I recall, it was over 4 km. However it was with a sniper rifle rather than a standard issue weapon.

Balmung wrote:QUOTE (Balmung @ May 26 2011, 06:05 PM) Plus the M 16 uses .223 calibre as I recall which is designed for closer ranges and wounding.

Sycrus wrote:QUOTE (Sycrus @ Jun 4 2011, 07:43 PM) Uh, no. The M16A4 service rifle uses a 5.56 mm FMJ, which is effective up to 550 yards, lethal at 800 yards.

Kind of both right... it's a 5.56 mm cartridge with a .223 caliber bullet.

But as for ranges, according to wikipedia the effective range is 550 to 800 meters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle

Not yards, I meant meters. My bad

5.56mm and .223 cal are the exact same diameter. Its just a different measuring system. Its a question of hotloading vs not if you cross-fit them.

Alllsssooooo I believe those effective ranges you're giving are when the rifle is used in squadron-based firing versus individual.

The Canadian C7-A2 which is (edit: more or less) the same thing is thought to be effective at 300m solo and 600m squadron. ... But then again, maybe our definition of "effective" is different.

the us definitions have longer effective ranges because we have drug tests in our military ya $#@!in hippies

Personally I had great difficulty with a peep sight at 300 metres on the Belgian FN, Designation R 1 in South Africa. This was on a standard Silhouette target which did not shoot back. You already have to mentally subdivide your front sight post and shift ever so slightly, with the post obscuring most of your target. Personally, I am a Pistol man. I grew up with standard Iron sights on my air rifle, and HATE the peep sight.

Just try to shoot with that thing in the dark without flares in the air. No can do. You see NOTHING.

Either way, I guess I am just not that good, then.

And with respect, do not ever get involved in a knife fight. It is the ugliest thing that can happen. People who like knives are real Hard Core. A friend was attacked by street punks in his home 2 months back, the guys stabbed hiim in the gut, nicked the artery near the spine and left him to bleed out. They locked the front door so he could not crawl out and get help. He tried to end it by cutting his own wrists with a kitchen knife he had tried to defend himself with. They found him 10 hours later, by great good luck he survived.

Balmung wrote:QUOTE (Balmung @ Jun 5 2011, 09:35 AM) do not ever get involved in a knife fight

or a land war in Asia.