Nerf Bios and Rix, perk IC

[sambasti]

I skipped most of the blah about what constitutes as accurate stats, but I would like to bring something else. I am not really bothered by one faction having a 5% higher chance of winning, although I agree it should be fixed. What makes me leave alleg every night is this:

Name | Wins | Losses | Total Games Played
Bios | 63 | 44 | 107
Rixian | 54 | 40 | 94
Technoflux | 70 | 64 | 134
Gigacorp | 63 | 58 | 185
Dreghklar | 68 | 66 | 134
Belters | 59 | 63 | 122
Ga'Taraan | 32 | 39 | 71
Iron
Coalition | 100 | 136 | 236

IMO IC is getting to much time, and It seems like whenever I come on, someone is playing IC, the most standard, boring, inevitable exp faction in the game. We should fix that somehow.


Now, we still have the issue of Bios needing a nerf. Can we take it slow? The first proposal I see is to nerf con times, get rid of GS, and if I'm not mistaken there was also something about paydays in there. The faction is 3% above fluke, all it needs is a little push in the right direction.

[Jimen]

QUOTE (HSharp @ Apr 5 2010, 07:11 PM) Giga can afford to spam another op, Belt's can fig-nan, Rix can go toe to toe and kill the IC/Dreg op instead, TF is just cheesy, GT Scouts are opening cheese.

Bios figs are quite fat so baring proxing alephs to @#(! they are quite crap on con D vs ints and although they are quite good at attacking miners by surprise they are useless at anything else except a prox camp. Bios don't really need the perked con/miner times but if they lose the opening then they can just go into turtle mode and that is a boring game for everyone

Gee, it's almost as if Bios is a faction with a weak and vulnerable opening, while IC has one of the strongest openings in the game! Well, we sure can't have the "KILL THEM WHILE THEY'RE YOUNG OR ELSE" faction having weaknesses before they get tech up! If their turtling abilities are a problem, then the answer isn't "power them up so they won't have to turtle", it's "nerf their turtling abilities". And calling GT scouts "cheese"? Implying that TF scouts (let alone their slow-ass cons) or Belter fignans are somehow going to resist a swarm of lt ints? What is wrong with you?

Regarding Bios figs, I'd say they're pretty small overall. Their front profile looks a bit bigger than average as figs go, but if you pay attention you'll notice that most of that is vertical size rather than horizontal, and in fact it's the only fig model that's taller than it is wide - it may have a lot of forward surface area, but unlike other figs, most of it's not on the same plane as an int's gunmounts so you'd better hope you've got your "rotate" buttons mapped or else good luck hitting one. And even then it's more like shooting at a Rix fig or a TF fig than at an IC fig. Their side profile is arguably even smaller than the front profile, rendering it even harder to hit.

[Psychosis]

i can tell you for sure, its not bios GS winning games, want to nerf bios? PERK GS

[DasSmiter]

Jimen and Girly with your stats dickery just stfu. This is not a core based entirely on Faction win/loss stats, and for the most part they confirm suspicions rather than revealing some massive imbalance.

The 45%-55% thing was something Noir did when considering faction win/loss for DN, but I'm not sure how he came about it.

It's been fairly obvious that Bios needed a nerf (and I have tried to push something of a change for TF behind the scenes) for some time, but when approached with the idea plenty of people posting in this forum said "STFU noobs just kill miners"

In conclusion: we will do nothing until CC09 is released, at which time you will all be so blinded by the glorious flesh sacs of OH that you will no longer have the attention span to complain about Comeback Baby Bios

[NightRychune]

QUOTE (Psychosis @ Apr 5 2010, 06:03 PM) i can tell you for sure, its not bios GS winning games, want to nerf bios? PERK GS

Yeah, seriously. I just watched a game where 8 mini2 IC hvy ints rushed 3 turreted GS (1 had 2 turrets, the other 2 had 1 turret) and 3 nans, and all 8 ints died. That's clearly not good enough, and 12 ints should have died there and not 8.

[Jimen]

QUOTE (DasSmiter @ Apr 5 2010, 08:04 PM) It's been fairly obvious that Bios needed a nerf (and I have tried to push something of a change for TF behind the scenes) for some time, but when approached with the idea plenty of people posting in this forum said "STFU noobs just kill miners"

Yes, that is a convincing point, since as demonstrated in every other thread in this forum, the CC team always listens to what the idiots and fools post!

[Psychosis]

QUOTE (NightRychune @ Apr 5 2010, 07:05 PM) Yeah, seriously. I just watched a game where 8 mini2 IC hvy ints rushed 3 turreted GS (1 had 2 turrets, the other 2 had 1 turret) and 3 nans, and all 8 ints died. That's clearly not good enough, and 12 ints should have died there and not 8.

what? that sucks, have people finally learned to USE them? NANS ARE CHEATING, FACE THE FACTS!

that is not a simple bios problem, that is an every faction problem, nan2 applied to a GS is ugly

[spideycw]

QUOTE (Jimen @ Apr 5 2010, 08:13 PM) Yes, that is a convincing point, since as demonstrated in every other thread in this forum, the CC team always listens to what the idiots and fools post!

When things come to votes at any rate

[DasSmiter]

QUOTE (Jimen @ Apr 5 2010, 07:13 PM) Yes, that is a convincing point, since as demonstrated in every other thread in this forum, the CC team always listens to what the idiots and fools post!

We would ignore you Jimen if we didn't feel that your squad's long history of being brutally oppressed might turn public opinion against our populist regime.

[MrChaos]

Ok Ill say it then

Those stats are not only basically worthless but potentially point you in the wrong direction too. You'd be better off to ignore them or just use your gut.

I have no interest in being involved in any project to put together a proper version, but I wanted to clear it up since it seemed there is some confusion in the matter.