Change the bloody default keymap already

Dorjan · Post by **Dorjan** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:23 pm

I just find you lose a lot of the original control with WASP. You can't trust up or down and it makes the game feel like a FPS xD

The original layout is fine imo and this is a lot of work for nothing. As I said above, adding extra keybindings (for target nearest bomber etc) would help but not changing it completely.

I think you'll be surprised that more people than you know use the original (with edits) including juckto iirc.

Post by **zombywoof** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:50 pm

Jerako wrote:QUOTE (Jerako @ Dec 22 2009, 04:54 PM) I did. Before I ever joined a PUG. I found them to be real helpful too, especially that last one, when I finally got into the game. Am I that abnormal?

You are very abnormal, Jerako, but in a good way :-) Best damn (0) I've ever seen.

Also @Rock: this is under the domain of Cortex.

finnbryant · Post by **finnbryant** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:56 pm

i would argue that wasd is a standard, even if every single vet up to this point has learned to use the current defaults, it doesnt cange the fact that noobs will find wasd easier to grasp, everyone knows wasd. current vets dont care what the default is, they can change it, its only noobs that the defaults matter for.

btw, the up/down are w/s in the setup being suggested, so i fail to see your point, its forward/back that are separate, but i may have misunderstood you...

MrChaos · Post by **MrChaos** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:08 pm

scratchee wrote:QUOTE (scratchee @ Dec 23 2009, 12:56 PM) i would argue that wasd is a standard, even if every single vet up to this point has learned to use the current defaults, it doesnt cange the fact that noobs will find wasd easier to grasp, everyone knows wasd. current vets dont care what the default is, they can change it, its only noobs that the defaults matter for.

btw, the up/down are w/s in the setup being suggested, so i fail to see your point, its forward/back that are separate, but i may have misunderstood you...

MrChaos wrote:QUOTE (MrChaos @ Dec 23 2009, 10:59 AM) MrChaos' half list of things to do

Dorjan thinks that list looks like alot of work to make what seems to him (and me) such a simple change *shrug*. Hell it may be a key contributor to the hard time we have retaining newbs for all I know. By all means Scratchee if this is a bee in your bonnet have at it, you definitely have the talent and work ethic to pull it off. Adept is no slouch in either department himself.

MrChaos

finnbryant · Post by **finnbryant** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:45 pm

meh, in this case im just voicing my opinion amongst the powerless masses, ive got enough things to be doing atm. it also doesnt help that i dont have access to a windows machine, or even a linux machine that has a capable graphics card...

that said, i appreciate the complement, even if it didnt succeed in provoking me into usefulness

as to "e" in your list, im pretty sure this would be client-side only, training missions are offline and hud is client-controlled (the hud wouldnt have to change for the wiki one afaik).

depending on the training missions, we might even not have to change code, it might just need new audio...

uberkill · Post by **uberkill** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:11 pm

Hey, I did the training missions first. And read all of the CDT 1 material before that (and what I could of the fledgling wiki). THEN remapped my controls (which has been done numerous times since!), then tried the training with them, and realized they didn't work! ( I know now how to fix it). At that point, I joined the servers. Why can't everyone be more thorough? the learning curve is significantly more gentle having done all that. *sigh*

Dorjan · Post by **Dorjan** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:07 am

I think we should have multiple key-mappings you can choose from. A lot of games have several options to choose from (even mario O.o)

fwiffo · Post by **fwiffo** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:28 am

actually thats a great idea... to select from multiple keymappings. it's just trading in one inputmap1.mdl for another...

i went ahead and posted my own keymapping on my server (www.spathiwa.com) in case some newbie asks me about it someday... im working on a keyboard layout representation of my mappings but have yet to find a way to "generate" such a picture (help anyone?), i guess eventually i'll just draw it by hand

to add to the list of players that play w/ default setup... picobozo also has it default if i remember correctly

Dorjan · Post by **Dorjan** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:41 am

scratchee wrote:QUOTE (scratchee @ Dec 23 2009, 06:56 PM) i would argue that wasd is a standard, even if every single vet up to this point has learned to use the current defaults, it doesnt cange the fact that noobs will find wasd easier to grasp, everyone knows wasd. current vets dont care what the default is, they can change it, its only noobs that the defaults matter for.

btw, the up/down are w/s in the setup being suggested, so i fail to see your point, its forward/back that are separate, but i may have misunderstood you...

OK whatever, my point is forward and back are missing then.

I didn't get "used" to the default. I found it good from the get go. I changed a few things (like reload, targeting etc) myself like anyone does so I cannot feel / agree the default keybinding has any ill effect on newbies. Because if they were that bent out of shape on the controls they can change it!

I still stand there should be "standard" and "wasp" controls for people to choose from if people like their FPS that much. It would make this argument null and void so long as the interface made it easy enough to spot (tab system in the control edit screen maybe).

spliffyhat · Post by **spliffyhat** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:44 am

if players cant change the default keyboard ,
they really shouldn't be playing Allegiance.