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zdude1994 · Post by **zdude1994** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:31 pm

_SRM_Nuke wrote:QUOTE (_SRM_Nuke @ Jan 7 2009, 11:57 PM) Agreed. TF is meant to be overpowered at the end. If you let TF live for forty minutes, much less FOUR HOURS, you deserve to lose.

Isn't that my philosophy with TF? Or did I take it from you...? When nix used to be around, I had the same philosophy.

_SRM_Nuke · Post by **_SRM_Nuke** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:27 pm

zdude1994 wrote:QUOTE (zdude1994 @ Jan 8 2009, 05:31 PM) Isn't that my philosophy with TF? Or did I take it from you...? When nix used to be around, I had the same philosophy.

I think its just common knowledge. Same goes for Bios. If you let them live to the point where they get advanced tech up and running, your chances of winning decrease dramatically.

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:42 am

Norgonq wrote:QUOTE (Norgonq @ Jan 8 2009, 12:30 PM) in PUGs.

You are making the broad and hugely incorrect assumption that because someone is squadded they can aim.

Also I'm not certain exactly how much removing the lead indicators would do in either case. I am reasonably certain however that dn 4.5 tf enh ships did NOT have lead indicators, and were added in 4.6 to offset their 20% firepower nerf. Then when we reupped the ROF with CC we kept the leads on enh ships.

As far as the plas gen issue they are fine, just more difficult to avoid because you cannot see how far it will hit you from, whereas prox/mp has a cloud you can easily see and make a better judgement as to avoid it

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:45 am

I'm pretty sure they always had the lead indicators, TF has always been cheesy

Psychosis · Post by **Psychosis** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:58 am

its a 0 spread weapon, also when was the last time a squad went TF in a squadgame?

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:43 am

PK 2 weeks ago and SysX before that

djrbk · Post by **djrbk** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:28 am

RT did as well with SysX joining them as reinforcements to make the match even in numbers vs. ACE.

edit: also, I think TF is fine. Generally takes me a while to warm up shooting with them as my aim is more attuned to dissipation...

Adaven · Post by **Adaven** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:06 am

Lead indicator has been in DN TF long before 4.5.

Edit: Confirmed Lead Indicator for TF Enh/Adv at least as far back as DN 3.64

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:59 pm

Broodwich wrote:QUOTE (Broodwich @ Jan 8 2009, 09:31 PM) The only thing wrong with tf imo is that they all get lead indicators

*Hate hate hate*

Without the lead indicators TF could actually be fun to play (maybe do something about the retarded knife edge ints too).

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:35 pm

Yeah, I really don't care for the lead indicator but I would like it if the ints were a bit fatter, just a 10% size increase and then it would be balanced.