Donald Trump

Post by **Papsmear** » Sat May 04, 2019 3:23 pm

At some point in time Iran will end up developing it's own nuclear weapons.
Don't help them by giving them the information and technology they need.
Let them figure it out on their own.
The longer that takes the better off the rest of the world will be.

Terran · Post by **Terran** » Sat May 04, 2019 4:06 pm

My biggest problem with the jcpoa is that it allows Iran to keep all it's nuclear related R&D facilities and scientists. The deal is a delaying action rather than any long term solution. What this deal really was: Iran, please build your nukes, just don't build them during my presidency. Oh and here's some cash for Hizbollah.

Understandably Israel goes, the $#@! mate? Cashto's assessment aside, saying that it's better than no deal at all is wrong. Sure, they might get the nuke faster without the deal, but at least you're maintaining a pressure front and example for any other @#(!ty states that want to get a nuke. The fact that there are less than 10 states with nukes today is proof that pressure does work. (And also the occasional military strike a la Israel on Syria)

The deal basically means the difference between a rich Iran with nukes or a poor Iran with nukes. Nuclear armed Iran with lots of money for shia proxies or nuclear armed Iran hardly any money for shia proxies.

Post by **zombywoof** » Sun May 05, 2019 3:05 am

At least one time pressure didn't work.

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Tue May 07, 2019 4:43 am

Are we still crediting Trump for every move the market makes? If so.

Vortrog · Post by **Vortrog** » Tue May 07, 2019 6:12 am

CBS copied CNN....fake news

Post by **Dome** » Tue May 07, 2019 6:44 am

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ May 6 2019, 09:43 PM) Are we still crediting Trump for every move the market makes? If so.

The markets recovered nicely. I was surprised by the strength tbh.

The S&P is up 17% so far this year, whats a percent or two off that? No big deal. Shanghai is mixed today but currently up almost 1%. https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/SHCOMP:IND We should have a decent day tomorrow market-wise.

minigun · Post by **minigun** » Tue May 07, 2019 6:05 pm

Dome wrote:QUOTE (Dome @ May 7 2019, 04:44 PM) The markets recovered nicely. I was surprised by the strength tbh.

The S&P is up 17% so far this year, whats a percent or two off that? No big deal. Shanghai is mixed today but currently up almost 1%. https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/SHCOMP:IND We should have a decent day tomorrow market-wise.

The 3.2% GDP and the 3.6% unemployment numbers changed everything. Companies have had over a year to get out of China and change their supply routes. The slow ones like caterpillar might suffer some. From what I'm reading China overplayed their hand. They were rolling back some stuff that was already agreed on. I like the tough approach on China, it's really the only way to deal with them. 12:01 friday, the ball will be in China's court.

Post by **Dome** » Tue May 07, 2019 8:23 pm

aaaaaaand S&P down 1.6% on the day. Woops.

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Wed May 08, 2019 5:51 am

minigun wrote:QUOTE (minigun @ May 7 2019, 11:05 AM) The 3.2% GDP and the 3.6% unemployment numbers changed everything.

Chrissakes. For like the zillionth time, here's GDP, unemployment and DJIA for the past ten years. The red dot marks the exact moment that separates the disastrous Obama economy from the amazing Trump one.

This -- this is what Trump calls "inheriting a mess". If Trump deserves any credit it's in not getting in the way of a clearly thriving economy. Maybe that's because the American economy is a robust thing and very hard for any one president to kill. Maybe it just takes time for effects to follow from causes. Maybe Trump has just spent too much time on the golf course and rage-tweeting cable news to cause any real damage. Maybe it's stimulus from the GOP tax bill that blew a trillion dollar hole in the Federal deficit (but we don't care about that anymore now that Republicans are in control). Maybe a combination of all four. Either way, there's still a lot that can happen between now and Nov 2020 and if anything goes bad, Trump is going to have a hard time distancing himself from it.

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Wed May 08, 2019 6:20 am

New topic. So in 2017, y'all know that Trump's 1995 tax returns got leaked, it showed him in the red by $918 billion million, probably enabling him to avoid having to pay any tax for the next decade.

So today his 1985-1994 returns were revealed too, and they aren't any better. During the whole time he was holding himself out to the public as "Mr. Art of the Deal", he was losing money, every single year for a straight decade.

The only other return we have is from 2005. It was leaked a few months after the 1995 return, probably from Team Trump itself. It showed in paying $38 billion million on $150 million income. I guarantee you that is the most impressive return he has from his entire life and especially the past ten years. Otherwise he couldn't release them fast enough.

TRUMP. IS. NOT. A. BILLIONAIRE. He is, and has always been, a conman, a fraud and a phony. WAKE. UP. SHEEPLE.