Donald Trump

[zombywoof]

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/11 ... 1435671552

Well, huh. Mueller's not happy with Barr's characterization of the Mueller report.

No one* could have possibly seen this twist ending come.




*note: idiots (who know who they are) might not have seen this coming, but anyone with actual braincells to rub together who followed this entire thing not only would have, but did, see this coming.

[Terran]

people outside of the security establishment debating geopolitics like they have the complete picture, lol

i mean, i understand why we hesitate to trust the intelligence agencies on these matters. maybe they're just out to inflate the risks so that the military-industrial complex pays them more bribes. or maybe they're all mostly honest working people with a @#(!ton more information and expertise than us. i guess we'll never know and continue debating geopolitics without actually knowing anything.

[SumVeritas]

QUOTE (Terran @ May 1 2019, 03:24 PM) i mean, i understand why we hesitate to trust the intelligence agencies on these matters. maybe they're just out to inflate the risks so that the military-industrial complex pays them more bribes.

You forgot to mention freeloading off the taxpayer money.

[minigun]

It seems a few in here believe it's just a money scam. We could pull american troops out of the middle east, Germany, South korea etc.etc. Poland is willing to pay america for their troops. I don't think they trust Russia as much as some people in here do.

[Mastametz]

I liked the part where P1 decided that it's perfectly safe for Iran to have nuclear weapons because he met an Iranian college student in college and he seems cool.

[SumVeritas]

Almost as clueless as you¿? don't worry, you still the king on that end

[Terran]

QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ May 2 2019, 03:57 AM) I liked the part where P1 decided that it's perfectly safe for Iran to have nuclear weapons because he met an Iranian college student in college and he seems cool.

a large part of the Iranian population are actually perfectly reasonable people and probably on average much better educated than Americans

it's just that their government is controlled by power hungry religious lunatics that can absolutely not be trusted

[zombywoof]

Iran wants nuclear weapons because they're facing against a pair of alarmingly belligerent nations in Saudi Arabia and Israel, both of whom enjoy the support of the unhingedly jingoistic United States, a nation run by the actual KKK (aka, the guys who Hitler looked at and said, "wow, that @#(!'s brilliant, I should do that"). They are largely doing this alone, though they could choose to enter the Chinese sphere of influence which would offer them some measure of protection. On the other hand... do you really want to be in the Chinese sphere of influence? Ask that again for Muslims who are heavily persecuted in China.

The rest of the world doesn't want Iran to have nuclear weapons because the first time nukes proliferated, the US and USSR had everyone wondering if today was going to be the day they died, then when India and Pakistan joined the party... and we definitely don't need a nuclear-equipped Iran staring down a nuclear-equipped Israel.

So, what in this scenario is the most effective way to prevent Iran from getting nukes? A war would be the worst possible idea, if the quagmires of Afghanistan and Iraq hadn't tipped you off to that yet then you're as dumb as metz. Instead, a bunch of (non-US) nations decided to try and use diplomacy. Or, at least I think they did, but since I'm not in the Super Secret Cabal of the Global Intelligence and Security Establishment, I could just be missing the forest for the trees. Hopefully a member of the SSCGISE or someone who knows this incredibly honest, incredibly hardworking group of individuals can shed more light on it.

These terms negotiated by the nations of Russia, China, the UK, France, and Germany (and for a while the US but the US didn't really do much to this except lend it a little bit of credibility by signing on to it for a short time) appear to pain the picture that the five primary nations involved see Iran as being less of a geopolitical threat now than they were before.

I mean, I'm not in the SSCGISE so maybe not, but it seems logical. Perhaps behind the scenes there's some kind of crazy agreement between those five nations that actually what we should do is ramp up tensions in the region between the major players because stability in the region is bad for global stability. Terran would know more about that, I'm just kind of shooting from the hip with the hypothesis that increasing the positive relations between two nations decreases the likelyhood of war.

Thus, though apparently the SSCGISE disagrees, it would appear to me that at least the nations of Russia, China, the UK, France, and Germany believe that the Iranian deal decreases the likelyhood that Iran develops nuclear weapons. I would go so far as to add that it is plausible, to me, that the deal was negotiated in such a way as to start normalizing relations with Iran in the hopes that some day they feel secure enough to choose to not develop nuclear weapons. This can be arranged in a simple math equation to help Cashto deal with how long this post has become:

Let T0 be the time it would take for Iran to develop weapons before the deal.
Let Ttr be the time it would take for Iran to develop sufficient "trust" (faith, whatever) in the global community that it does not feel the need for nuclear weapons.
Let Td be the time it would take for Iran to develop weapons after the deal.
Let M be a linear mapping M(T0)->Td and represent the deal.
Let N represent a space of mappings which, when taken together, gives N(Ttr)<N(T0).

My understanding of the Iranian nuclear deal can be represented by these inequalities:
T0 >= Td
M(Ttr) <= Ttr
T0 > Ttr

Further,

∃N s.t. N(T0)<N(Ttr).
N(M(T0)) = N(Td), but since T0 <= Td, then
N(Td)<=N(T0) ⇒ M∈N.

[zombywoof]

(note, that last line should read "M can be an element of N")

EDIT:

QUOTE (Terran @ May 2 2019, 12:24 PM) a large part of the Iranian population are actually perfectly reasonable people and probably on average much better educated than Americans

it's just that their government is controlled by power hungry religious lunatics that can absolutely not be trusted

"By "their" do you mean Iranian or American?"

"Yes."

[Mastametz]

QUOTE (Terran @ May 2 2019, 12:24 PM) a large part of the Iranian population are actually perfectly reasonable people and probably on average much better educated than Americans

We should probably give them nukes, then. Same with the countries of origin of any other person P1 has met and felt comfortable with.

#OprahOfNukes