Donald Trump

Post by **zombywoof** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:13 am

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Mar 29 2019, 04:24 PM) If by "flat-out refusing" you mean "working with Mueller's office to publish the full report no later than mid-April, modulo any parts that may disclose intelligence sources and methods, violate federal law regarding the confidentiality of Grand Jury proceedings, or impact other proceedings that the special counsel has referred to other agencies". Which, to me, is not an unreasonable thing to do.

Yeah that broke in the last 10 hours. Less than a day ago it was "if we're going to release it we're going to send it to the WH first for redactions from them." It's good to see he's finally going to release it.

Post by **Papsmear** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:46 pm

400 pages?
I don't think I'll be spending any of my time reading it.
I'm curious if P1, cashto or anyone else here will read the entire report?

Post by **zombywoof** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:44 pm

I will probably not read it. I will be less skeptical about what others claim is in the report; however, when the people making those claims could at least plausibly have read even a portion of the report.

minigun · Post by **minigun** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:45 pm

opinion on trump

This is pretty much what I've been trying to convey.

Post by **zombywoof** » Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:50 pm

Yes, I'm aware that you've been trying to convey that Trump won because the bulk of America is racist, stupid, or both.

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:28 am

I'll probably read a significant chunk of the report comes out. I'm a junkie like that. (Case in point, last month I was plowing through this 247-page Arizona Supreme Court opinion, largely because I went to school with and had the misfortune of interacting with one of the attorneys that was suspended. She was, and still is, a rabid right wing culture warrior. Could have been the next Ann Coulter. But she fell in with a corrupt group of fellow travelers very early on in her career, and fresh out of law school got caught up in a vendetta against the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors and ended up being the lead attorney on a completely baseless RICO case against them. Reading that report gave one of the biggest justice boners I've ever had ...)

minigun wrote:QUOTE (minigun @ Mar 30 2019, 02:45 PM) opinion on trump

This is pretty much what I've been trying to convey.

With all due respect, that article is a crock of @#(!. "Voters appreciate that the economy is currently experiencing near record-low peacetime unemployment, record-low minority unemployment, and virtual 3% annualized GDP growth". Do they appreciate that it is essentially the same economy they considered a socialist hellscape two years ago? Do they appreciate that it hasn't cratered yet largely thanks to a massive tax giveaway that blew a hole in the federal deficit?

"Voters are angry over the sustained effort to remove or delegitimize a sitting president." Would that be the same voters that were so incensed over Birther conspiracy to delegitimize Obama that they *checks notes* elected the foremost promoter of that conspiracy as president?

"Trump may come across as callous to some, but to others at least genuine." WHO THE $#@! CONSIDERS TRUMP 'GENUINE'? Seriously. Someone look me in the face and tell me they believe the words "genuine" or "honest" describes Trump. Everyone knows he's a liar and and and ignornamus, even those that give him a pass because at the end of the day, he believes the same things they do.

Post by **zombywoof** » Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:39 am

They also didn't give a @#(! when Trump spent the last month of the campaign saying that if he lost it was because it was rigged and cheered him on for it.

What Trump did was tap into the seething rage of people who, for some reason or another, really didn't want to see Obama become President or be President. Or see Hillary Clinton become President.

It's not like it really matters though, thanks to two decades of the GOP making sure our government sat on its hands, the south is going to drown in a series of raging floods brought on by sequential record-breaking hurricanes as most of the state of California continues to light on fire every single year and the jobs continue flying overseas.

Hey, bonus, we're about to sell nuclear technology to the House of Saud, in a move that can only be truly classified as "the dumbest thing anyone has ever done literally ever." Seriously, you want to complain about giving Iran some kind of incentive to delay their nuclear program while Trump just hands everything to Saudi Arabia? One of those two nations bankrolled a guy who flew planes into buildings in New York City and Washington D.C.. I'll give you a hint: it's the one that also murdered a US resident a few months ago and the one that's used the US government, twice now, to invade and bomb their major regional oil production competition.

Post by **Papsmear** » Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:28 pm

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Mar 31 2019, 02:28 AM) I'll probably read a significant chunk of the report comes out. I'm a junkie like that.

I'll look forward to reading your view on the Mueller Report after you read and digest it.

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:41 pm

Papsmear wrote:QUOTE (Papsmear @ Mar 31 2019, 06:28 AM) I'll look forward to reading your view on the Mueller Report after you read and digest it.

I doubt I'll have a unique take.

It's likely a long rundown of many events during the campaign, most of which are already known, and for each one, the possible crimes that could be charged, the elements of those crimes and arguments pro and con whether all those elements were met, with references to similar case law and court decisions. For the most part it will hinge on whether team Trump's tacit approval of Russia hacking and leaking his opponent's emails and spreading propaganda on social media amounts to direct conspiracy to do so.

minigun · Post by **minigun** » Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:19 pm

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Apr 1 2019, 04:41 AM) I doubt I'll have a unique take.

We finally agree on something.