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tsubaki_sanjuro · Post by **tsubaki_sanjuro** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:39 am

Papsmear wrote:QUOTE (Papsmear @ Apr 14 2017, 12:52 PM) Politically there is really nothing to be gained by supporting the Syrian rebels so ask yourself why the US supports them?

Herein lies the great unasked question of the past sixteen years.

On 9/11 the US was attacked by fundamentalist Sunni terrorists. In the years since then Madrid, Bali, London (twice and a third failed attempt), Mumbai, Paris (twice), Nice and more than a few other places have been attacked by fundamentalist Sunni terrorists, killing many innocents each time.

However the record of major Western intervention since 9/11 is as follows:

Afghanistan - failed state, attempted removal of Taliban
Iraq - largely secular / Arab nationalist state, removal of Saddam
Somalia - failed state, removal of the ICU
Libya - largely secular / Arab nationalist state, removal of Gaddafi
Syria - largely secular / Arab nationalist state, ongoing vs Assad
Islamic State - fundamentalist Sunni state, ongoing vs IS
Yemen - Shia / Arab nationalist state, ongoing vs Houthis

We have also made serious attempts at destabilizing the Shia-led Iran - attempts which in some cases (stuxnet and the assassination of atomic scientists especially) would be acts of war if ever done by someone else to us. There is also continual talk of war with Orthodox Christian and nationalist Russia because (and solely because) of their support of Assad in Syria. Our allies in the region (especially Turkey, but also the Saudis) have openly co-operated with and armed some very dangerous people indeed.

Why are we doing any of this?

Globemaster_III · Post by **Globemaster_III** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:57 am

tsubaki_sanjuro wrote:QUOTE (tsubaki_sanjuro @ Apr 17 2017, 10:39 AM) Herein lies the great unasked question of the past sixteen years.

On 9/11 the US was attacked by fundamentalist Sunni terrorists. In the years since then Madrid, Bali, London (twice and a third failed attempt), Mumbai, Paris (twice), Nice and more than a few other places have been attacked by fundamentalist Sunni terrorists, killing many innocents each time.

However the record of major Western intervention since 9/11 is as follows:

Afghanistan - failed state, attempted removal of Taliban
Iraq - largely secular / Arab nationalist state, removal of Saddam
Somalia - failed state, removal of the ICU
Libya - largely secular / Arab nationalist state, removal of Gaddafi
Syria - largely secular / Arab nationalist state, ongoing vs Assad
Islamic State - fundamentalist Sunni state, ongoing vs IS
Yemen - Shia / Arab nationalist state, ongoing vs Houthis

We have also made serious attempts at destabilizing the Shia-led Iran - attempts which in some cases (stuxnet and the assassination of atomic scientists especially) would be acts of war if ever done by someone else to us. There is also continual talk of war with Orthodox Christian and nationalist Russia because (and solely because) of their support of Assad in Syria. Our allies in the region (especially Turkey, but also the Saudis) have openly co-operated with and armed some very dangerous people indeed.

Why are we doing any of this?

money.............

Post by **Papsmear** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:28 pm

There is only money for the US military complex and their suppliers.
There is virtually no money to be made in trade with Syria.

Post by **zombywoof** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:52 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/worl ... &smtyp=cur

At this point it feels like they're *trying* to look incompetent.

Globemaster_III · Post by **Globemaster_III** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:41 pm

Papsmear wrote:QUOTE (Papsmear @ Apr 19 2017, 01:28 AM) There is only money for the US military complex and their suppliers.
There is virtually no money to be made in trade with Syria.

Oils and rare metals.

Post by **Papsmear** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:02 am

Not really Globey,
Syria is one of the smallest oil producing countries in the middle east.
They supply more dried fruit to the planet than rare minerals.
Us trade with Syria is minimal at best.

So why is the US in Syria and supporting rebels?
I think they are in Syria to remove Assad, why I don't know unless it is just to destabilize the country.
The Us does have a history of doing that kind of thing.

Globemaster_III · Post by **Globemaster_III** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:52 am

Papsmear wrote:QUOTE (Papsmear @ Apr 19 2017, 01:02 PM) Not really Globey,
Syria is one of the smallest oil producing countries in the middle east.
They supply more dried fruit to the planet than rare minerals.
Us trade with Syria is minimal at best.

So why is the US in Syria and supporting rebels?
I think they are in Syria to remove Assad, why I don't know unless it is just to destabilize the country.
The Us does have a history of doing that kind of thing.

my bad, it was Afghanistan rare earth metals and oils
Syria barely have anything's, my apologies .

Post by **zombywoof** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:34 am

Papsmear wrote:QUOTE (Papsmear @ Apr 18 2017, 08:02 PM) So why is the US in Syria and supporting rebels?
I think they are in Syria to remove Assad, why I don't know unless it is just to destabilize the country.
The Us does have a history of doing that kind of thing.

It could also be because Assad is a $#@!wit who gasses his own people.

Post by **Raveen** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:31 am

Whilst Assad is without doubt a total bastard, removing him without any sort of plan (and a very specific desire to not put boots on the ground) is probably a bad idea.

HJ_KG · Post by **HJ_KG** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:07 pm

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Apr 10 2017, 10:51 PM) ... The bigger problem is that Trump is a raging narcissist and has just found out that military action can fuel his narcissistic supply.

'I can’t be doing so badly, because I’m president and you’re not'

http://time.com/4710456/donald-trump-ti ... falsehood/