Star Citizen

sunrodent · Post by **sunrodent** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:04 am

MrChaos wrote:QUOTE (MrChaos @ Oct 4 2015, 09:58 PM) Nope but they hardly let it hit the internet without vetting it first via lawyers and such. That wasn't the vibe that several people posted here.

Derek whoever had nothing to do with their story
The people interviewed left Glass door comments but we're interviewed before it
Nine separate people came forward

Hardly what was posted here initially

Sounds like a @#(!ty place to work most likely because they are taking negative press and innertubez chatter while burning through cash trying to meet unrealistic goals with unrealistic timing. The job is stressful and people are acting poorly because of it is how I read it *shrug* It isn't fun... Welcome to the concept that sometimes jobs can suck

well, if you want to believe what the escapist wrote what can i say except yer wrong buddy.
Citizen con in a week or less should disprove the not going anywhere stuff. but i will post tomorrow after the reply comes back to CIG as Chris intends to keep the membership informed as to what goes on. however they average about 2 to three million a month right now if that changes there may be a financial problem someday but not before the stand alone Squadron 42 game is released as it is coming soon and it looks to be so good that it will boost sales even higher each month.

of course i could be wrong i'm just an old idiot as you know but even a broken clock is right twice a day. However after reading the letter CIG's lawyer sent to all concerned
parties i'd be worried if i was the escapists legal department. they may have been duped. One good point is the id card they showed as evidence is not real CIG don't have them.

mega drama thread will help inform those interested on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen

peet · Post by **peet** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:10 am

I lost track of SC a year ago. I follow a few steam discussion groups on "early access" games.

Honestly I do not understand why companies will go through the trouble of early backers, early access or whatever it may be called.

Never underestimate how time consuming and energy draining a "screaming kid" may be if he feels his $20 does not immediately satisfy his huge demands. Sometimes I think the purpose of flaming, screaming and demanding is the game itself. It must be frustrating to find "screaming kids" on every social media, forum and whatever internet thingy there might be.

Post by **Raveen** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:04 am

peet wrote:QUOTE (peet @ Oct 5 2015, 09:10 AM) Honestly I do not understand why companies will go through the trouble of early backers, early access or whatever it may be called.

I think that if you can demonstrate a certain level of consumer interest then it helps get other backers on board. That seemed to be the tack that Frontier took with Elite and it worked well in that case.

And I think that if Star Citizen had got it's Kickstarter goal and not much more then it would likely have ended up in a game. The extra money seems to have caused wild dreaming about what can be achieved that's beyond what the company can deliver. at least that's my guess. Very few people know many facts but a lot of what you hear coming from CIG is very negative. Maybe I'm just not hearing the positive stuff or writing it off as fanboyism (it's very hard to take as objective the views of someone with thousands of dollars invested for example).

My real concern is, if SC fails what will the ramifications be for crowdfunding games in the future? It's been demonstrated to work well in some cases so it would be a shame if it was ruined.

MrChaos · Post by **MrChaos** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:58 am

Read the linkee Sunny Rodent and now.I understand the Derek Smart bit. Again it appears this wasn't some knuckle head like me posting my drivel like I am now, but a group of people who spent a considerable amount of time and resources gathering information. I cannot attest to anything and would look to you, like I have peet in thr past, to keep.me current.

Not sure what I got wrong in my post and I'm positive I wasn't telling you that you were either... really. More I have absolutely no dog in the fight and it seems to me *points to his first post" with addendum now.

It also feels a bit like The Escapist might have gone after this one hard because it was a chance at "teal journalism". The unfortunate outcome could ne.your game could die and bring down crowd funding with it. * tug of the forelock to you and AwesomeOnes for the crowd funding thoughts *

Post by **pkk** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:37 pm

Raveen wrote:QUOTE (Raveen @ Oct 5 2015, 01:04 PM) My real concern is, if SC fails what will the ramifications be for crowdfunding games in the future? It's been demonstrated to work well in some cases so it would be a shame if it was ruined.

The problem is not the crowdfunding itself.

It's introducing tons of DLC @#(! for tons of money (like Constellation class in all it's variants), wasting man-hours that stupid @#(!, while not working on the real stuff.

"This ship looks awesome, can't wait until I can fly it..."

It's quite simple: Get the basic game running (sell it on the free market), then start working on DLC @#(!, but it seems that CIG works the other way.

sunrodent · Post by **sunrodent** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:43 pm

peet wrote:QUOTE (peet @ Oct 5 2015, 03:10 AM) I lost track of SC a year ago. I follow a few steam discussion groups on "early access" games.

Honestly I do not understand why companies will go through the trouble of early backers, early access or whatever it may be called.

Never underestimate how time consuming and energy draining a "screaming kid" may be if he feels his $20 does not immediately satisfy his huge demands. Sometimes I think the purpose of flaming, screaming and demanding is the game itself. It must be frustrating to find "screaming kids" on every social media, forum and whatever internet thingy there might be.

oh God, i said it in the beginning and am still saying it now (although i'm not popular, big surprise...) the thing i hate most is all the whining kids in the back seat of the car constantly complaining about the long drive, complaining about where we are going, that there is nothing to do, and when are we going to be there.

i feel sorry for Mr. Roberts, now he has god knows how many armchair developers, programers, producers, artists, and people who think they are his boss telling him what he should be doing because they invested in His game. i would think it would be his worst nightmare considering what he wanted was to get free of the controls of big companies like EA and such who push out a game before it is ready.

sunrodent · Post by **sunrodent** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:58 pm

MrChaos wrote:QUOTE (MrChaos @ Oct 5 2015, 06:58 AM) Read the linkee Sunny Rodent and now.I understand the Derek Smart bit. Again it appears this wasn't some knuckle head like me posting my drivel like I am now, but a group of people who spent a considerable amount of time and resources gathering information. I cannot attest to anything and would look to you, like I have peet in thr past, to keep.me current.

Not sure what I got wrong in my post and I'm positive I wasn't telling you that you were either... really. More I have absolutely no dog in the fight and it seems to me *points to his first post" with addendum now.

It also feels a bit like The Escapist might have gone after this one hard because it was a chance at "teal journalism". The unfortunate outcome could ne.your game could die and bring down crowd funding with it. * tug of the forelock to you and AwesomeOnes for the crowd funding thoughts *

i'm sorry Sir, you haven't offended me and if i offended you i apologize.

i only meant that there are so many lies going around about the state of SC both financially and production wise that it is hard to know who is telling the truth. On the internet today it isn't very hard to make a lot of smoke over everything and once there is enough smoke constantly being blown people naturally assume there must be a fire. Well this is the internet and where there is smoke there may not be a fire. It is more likely a bunch of people with torches to burn.

MrChaos · Post by **MrChaos** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:47 pm

None taken I assure you. Justu thoughts based on the linkee provided and I get where you are.coming from now
Glad to hear I didn't piss you off Sunny R. I think my self depreciating sense of humor meet yours and had.a baby I didn't recognize until I noticed it had my eyes just now

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:23 pm

sunrodent wrote:QUOTE (sunrodent @ Oct 5 2015, 06:43 PM) oh God, i said it in the beginning and am still saying it now (although i'm not popular, big surprise...) the thing i hate most is all the whining kids in the back seat of the car constantly complaining about the long drive, complaining about where we are going, that there is nothing to do, and when are we going to be there.

i feel sorry for Mr. Roberts, now he has god knows how many armchair developers, programers, producers, artists, and people who think they are his boss telling him what he should be doing because they invested in His game. i would think it would be his worst nightmare considering what he wanted was to get free of the controls of big companies like EA and such who push out a game before it is ready.

Dude, the delivery date was Nov 2014, it's almost a year overdue and honestly doesn't look like it's going to be Q1 or Q2 in 2016, the project started on Kickstarter 3 years ago, I think people are entitled to complain when they have paid for a promise yet to be fulfilled. If CR wants people to stop whining then maybe he should release a damn game instead of stretch goal infinity.

The videos are very impressive but it really looks like this game is going to run so badly on anything that isn't a £10,000 computer with all the stuff they keep adding.

It's good that stretch goals have finally stopped (I think?) but it looks like it will be a while before they can accomplish half of those unless it drags on till 2017/18. And be honest are you not going to complain if 2018 arrives and Star Citizen still isn't released?

Post by **Raveen** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:33 pm

By 2018 it'll either be released in some form or CIG will have collapsed. My money would be on the latter but I'd love to be proven wrong on this one.

I don't think Roberts is malicious or greedy, I just don't think he's up to the task of creating what he's promised (if it's possible at all).