Superbowl

Post by **Dome** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:02 am

Still digesting the huge win for the Pats! What an amazing game.

Here's what Russel Wilson saw on the game winning play:

I would have thrown it too. Maybe a little sooner.

Video of the Malcom Butler interception in real time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgloErF-H2c

Post by **Dome** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:20 am

reactions!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smwmgZViC0g

Malicious Wraith · Post by **Malicious Wraith** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:24 pm

Damn, nice angle.

Butler is almost squared to where he needs to be, and the ball goes very close to the center of them.

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:44 pm

It's like your 4 of a kind getting beat by a royal. Butler made the play of his life there. Gotta feel good about himself.

BUT MUH BEAST MODE.

Malicious Wraith · Post by **Malicious Wraith** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:12 pm

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Feb 6 2015, 11:44 AM) It's like your 4 of a kind getting beat by a royal. Butler made the play of his life there. Gotta feel good about himself.

BUT MUH BEAST MODE.

But... it was a slant route...
poker analogy...
I don't even understand how they are even similar lol.

The implication there is that a slant route underneath a picking receiver is somehow the equivalent of the amazingness of a four of a kind...

And beating the receiver to the ball is trumping it with a royal flush.

Explain.

Post by **zombywoof** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:37 pm

BTW for all of you out there who are listening to sports radio or reading @#(!ty articles or are seachickens fans in crisis (Cash, Brood, lookin' at you two):

It was absolutely 100% the correct call. Look at the time left on the clock: 24 seconds from this point and one time-out left. You have time for 3 plays if (AND ONLY IF) you throw it on the first or second play. You have a better chance scoring the TD if you run all three plays than if you simply run two. So then the question becomes, are you throwing first or second? The answer in this case was obviously: you throw on 2nd, run on 3rd and 4th. By stpping the clock on 2nd down, you have the chance to get in the correct personnel package for a 1 yard slam home which increase your chances on the next two run plays.

If your goal is to score on that one play, passing is wrong. If your goal is to score a TD before the end of the game, passing is absolutely correct.

Malicious Wraith · Post by **Malicious Wraith** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:51 pm

Absolutely correct analysis on why a pass was warranted.
Not so right on the personnel grouping. They had time to switch to a goal line grouping and throw a pass, then run twice. Instead they kept three wrs on the field and made it absolutely clear what they wanted to do.

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:37 pm

Malicious Wraith wrote:QUOTE (Malicious Wraith @ Feb 6 2015, 09:12 AM) But... it was a slant route...

Wilson had every reason to believe that pass was going to be the game winner at the moment he threw it. Your big worry with an inside route like that is a DB tipping the ball up (which he managed to avoid) -- but then Butler came out of $#@!ing nowhere to jump the route. He made an great read, committed to it 110%, and had the quickness to beat Lockette to the ball. Kearse getting jammed up on the rub route didn't hurt either. It's gotta feel like a bad beat, not only to not complete the pass, but to have it intercepted.

People keep saying, okay, if you're not going to give it to Lynch, if you're gonna do the pass play on the 2nd down, then make it a fade route so Wilson can throw it into the stands if the receiver is covered. But if he doesn't throw it into the stands, it can still get picked. It's just as much a gamble as the slant route, if not more.

Post by **zombywoof** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:14 pm

Malicious Wraith wrote:QUOTE (Malicious Wraith @ Feb 6 2015, 09:51 AM) Absolutely correct analysis on why a pass was warranted.
Not so right on the personnel grouping. They had time to switch to a goal line grouping and throw a pass, then run twice. Instead they kept three wrs on the field and made it absolutely clear what they wanted to do.

That's completely irrelevant. It's just as possible that the pass gets interception regardless of what personnel grouping the Pats have on the field. The question here is whether or not the risk of interception was warranted and the answer is emphatically yes. The second question is whether you throw on second or third down. The answer is second for a multitude of reasons, including the personnel change, which gives you a margin of error for clock management should something horrible go wrong (i.e. a sack or false start).

EDIT: Anyone who calls a fade with Seattle's personnel might as well have just called a spike on the second down. Get your big bodies into position to catch a quick pass. Russel Wilson isn't Aaron Rodgers (or even Tom Brady or Peyton Manning (prior to the last few weeks)): the fade isn't in his arsenal... yet. It might be some day, but I'm really not interested in having Wilson throwing something like that over a slant.

BlackBagel · Post by **BlackBagel** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:41 am

phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ Feb 6 2015, 03:14 PM) That's completely irrelevant. It's just as possible that the pass gets interception regardless of what personnel grouping the Pats have on the field. The question here is whether or not the risk of interception was warranted and the answer is emphatically yes. The second question is whether you throw on second or third down. The answer is second for a multitude of reasons, including the personnel change, which gives you a margin of error for clock management should something horrible go wrong (i.e. a sack or false start).

EDIT: Anyone who calls a fade with Seattle's personnel might as well have just called a spike on the second down. Get your big bodies into position to catch a quick pass. Russel Wilson isn't Aaron Rodgers (or even Tom Brady or Peyton Manning (prior to the last few weeks)): the fade isn't in his arsenal... yet. It might be some day, but I'm really not interested in having Wilson throwing something like that over a slant.

yeah