Star Citizen

Andon · Post by **Andon** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:12 am

I pledged $60 for the dual scout package, thay way I could have someone to play with. Considering a game costs about $60, that's not bad.

I certainly like some of the other ships (And there are SOME advantages to purchasing them), but not enough to spend money on without knowing how the game will actually be. Thousands of dollars? That's just silly, honestly. ALL we have seen so far of the actual game is shiny things. I'm not doing more than a standard game pre-order on that.

Bacon_00 · Post by **Bacon_00** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:58 pm

I pledged $85, I think. A little extra because I REALLY wanted to see this project get off the ground. But anything more than that I think is silly.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:44 pm

Great fundraising, and some good ideas so far. I'm not too impressed with the implementation though. Hangar module, and super primitive "flight module" aren't convincing me that they'll actually deliver a game in the two years claimed.

I also don't know what to think about the instanced combat. That seems to be way too far into the WoW / MMORPG way of doing things for my taste. On the other hand, Elite: Dangerous seems to be going the EVE route of anything goes, where the rulers of the land may well be the Goon Swarm.

I'm conflicted.

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:15 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Oct 28 2013, 01:44 PM) On the other hand, Elite: Dangerous seems to be going the EVE route of anything goes, where the rulers of the land may well be the Goon Swarm.

Could be anything. Players might not be able to run corporations or corpo-nations and thus might have a limit to how much influence they can exert. Still numbers will be a big force which gives SA an advantage but if skill is more a factor then allegiance veterans can unite and give any goons a run for their money as everyone knows goons are just spreadsheet warriors.

phungus420 · Post by **phungus420** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:42 am

Withe the RIO seat and how that's being implemented I really feel like a good commander sitting in the RIO of a Constellation or back seat of a Super Hornet with even a handfull of Allegiance vets would just crush face. No one out there who will play this game has dealt with being commanded or commanding, yet this game will have a C&C function built into it better then anything Allegiance has and that Squad Commander can be ferried about on the front line in a two seat fighter.

When they implement player dropping on friends and matchmaking I'm really interested in teaming up with the players here. I think we as a group will be able to dominate so many dogfights. Most of these players will have no idea how to attack an Idris and are going to just get shredded by the guns on the capital ships, but we know how to swarm the thing and deliver teh bombs (of course with no nans we'll have to play things a bit different, but still).

I really hope there are more then a few of you interested.

And yeah, it could end up being vaporware and Roberts has been blowing nothing but smoke, but if the dogfighting is really getting implemented like how they are letting on this game is going to be epic and anyone who has played Alleg is going to have a huge leg up on the competition.

Bacon_00 · Post by **Bacon_00** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:09 pm

They'd be in a world of legal trouble if this thing became vaporware considering most everybody has already paid for it.

Post by **Raveen** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:28 pm

Is a successful kickstarter obliged to fulfill its promises? Honestly I don't know the answer to that but if the company goes bust after spending all the money I don't see there being any recourse.

NightRychune · Post by **NightRychune** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:38 pm

Raveen wrote:QUOTE (Raveen @ Oct 29 2013, 12:28 PM) Is a successful kickstarter obliged to fulfill its promises? Honestly I don't know the answer to that but if the company goes bust after spending all the money I don't see there being any recourse.

from the faq

QUOTE Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project?

Yes. Kickstarter's Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. (This is what creators see before they launch.) We crafted these terms to create a legal requirement for creators to follow through on their projects, and to give backers a recourse if they don't. We hope that backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project and fulfill.[/quote]

of course, like with other things, if an entity runs out of money, they can't exactly give their customers their money back or pay anything out in a court judgment

HJ_KG · Post by **HJ_KG** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:16 pm

Raveen wrote:QUOTE (Raveen @ Oct 29 2013, 02:28 PM) Is a successful kickstarter obliged to fulfill its promises?

www.kickstarter.com/blog/accountability-on-kickstarter
www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter basics#Acco
www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/09/03/160505449/when-a-kickstarter-campaign-fails-does-anyone-get-their-money-back
Short answer: No promise of anything.

Edit: The Rewards that are spoken about are not the projects goal. So, if you didn't get a stuffed animal when you donated 10000 dollars, your recourse is only for that reward, not the 10 grand you dropped. (for example)
If you took that to court, most likely monetary damage for the lack of a stuffed animal would be low.

NightRychune · Post by **NightRychune** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:37 pm

yeah there's not really anything stopping someone from putting together an amazing pitch for a thing with a shell company, getting 5 million dollars from people, and then vanishing with the money

considering kickstarter takes a percentage cut of whatever your project gets in funds, aside from the reputation hit, they're still making money from people getting scammed, and even then kickstarter can abscond from any kind of responsibility for it