Angry Jews call Hawking a hypocrite

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Fri May 10, 2013 2:10 am

I blame the Brits for giving up their Empire.

Really most of the world's problems today stems from the British Empire crumbling.

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Fri May 10, 2013 6:39 am

I blame Hitler for losing

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ May 9 2013, 05:04 PM) Masta is a troll and a nasty alcoholic racist.

Knowing that you feel that way about me, and the fact that I am held in higher esteem than you yourself are, should cause you to kill yourself at any given moment.

djrbk · Post by **djrbk** » Fri May 10, 2013 9:57 am

TakingArms wrote:QUOTE (TakingArms @ May 9 2013, 08:40 PM) Just so we're clear, Apartheid in South Africa meant segregation and disenfranchisement for certain ethnicities. I am aware of no such practices in modern Israel.

No argument required if you're just going to be playing the fool/ostrich to reality.

I suppose you believe that they haven't used chemical warfare via aerial bombardment on civilian hospitals and schools either?

takingarms1 · Post by **takingarms1** » Fri May 10, 2013 12:25 pm

*sigh*

from wikipedia:

QUOTE Most of the Arabs living in East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, occupied by Israel in the Six-Day War of 1967 and later annexed, were offered Israeli citizenship, but most have refused, not wanting to recognize Israeli sovereignty. They became permanent residents. They have the right to apply for citizenship, are entitled to municipal services, and have municipal voting rights.[/quote]

I should clarify. I am not defending all of Israeli's actions, their tactics, or their practices. All I'm saying is, it's not apartheid. Based on all the definitions cited, apartheid is about racial discrimination. The situation in Israel is not a question of racial discrimination. If anything, arguably, it's a situation of political oppression, although I would dispute that also. The Palestinian political groups are committed to wiping the nation state of Israel off the map. They commit atrocities too. It's just that the Israelis are better at it, so to the ignorant masses they appear to be the bad guys. The reality is, they're both bad guys. Palestine is a collection of @#$%@#s who can't live together for stupid ideological reasons.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:27 pm

Sheriff Metz wrote:QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ May 10 2013, 08:39 AM) Knowing that you feel that way about me, and the fact that I am held in higher esteem than you yourself are, should cause you to kill yourself at any given moment.

It is you yourself who has categorized you in those terms. The way you behave and the things you post don't give me any reason to doubt any of it.

You really think people hold you in high esteem? Medication must be working, I suppose.

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Sat May 11, 2013 2:50 am

TakingArms wrote:QUOTE (TakingArms @ May 10 2013, 08:25 AM) *sigh*

I can *sigh* too:

From your own link:

"Self-identification

The relationship of Arab citizens to the State of Israel is often fraught with tension and can be regarded in the context of relations between minority populations and state authorities elsewhere in the world.[76] Arab citizens consider themselves to be an indigenous people.[77] The tension between their Palestinian Arab national identity and their identity as citizens of Israel was famously described by an Arab public figure as: "My state is at war with my nation".[78]

Between 1948 and 1967, very few Arab citizens of Israel identified openly as "Palestinian", and an "Israeli-Arab" identity, the preferred phrase of the Israeli establishment and public, was predominant.[16] Public expressions of Palestinian identity, such as displays of the Palestinian flag or the singing and reciting of nationalist songs or poetry were illegal until recently.[21] With the end of military administrative rule in 1966 and following the 1967 war, national consciousness and its expression among Israel's Arab citizens has spread.[16][21] An increasing majority self-identify as Palestinian, preferring this descriptor to Israeli Arab in numerous surveys over the years.[16][19][21]

Arabs living in East Jerusalem, occupied and administered by Israel since the Six-Day War of 1967, are a special case. Although they hold Israeli ID cards, most are permanent residents since few accepted Israel's offer of citizenship after the war's end, refusing to recognize its sovereignty, and most maintain close ties with the West Bank.[12] As permanent residents, they are eligible to vote in Jerusalem's municipal elections, although only a small percentage takes advantage of this right.

The remaining Druze population of the Golan Heights, occupied and administered by Israel in 1967, are considered permanent residents under the Golan Heights Law of 1981. Few have accepted full Israeli citizenship and the vast majority consider themselves citizens of Syria."

Last time I checked, when displaying a flag or reciting poetry is illegal, you are being oppressed. Even if that changed recently, the oppression is still going to be shown. Just like after the slaves were "freed", they only had 3/5's of a vote, and weren't allowed to sit in the front of the bus.

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Sat May 11, 2013 3:03 am

Americans have little grounds to stand on to criticize Israel. IMO.

HJ_KG · Post by **HJ_KG** » Sat May 11, 2013 5:15 am

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Sat May 11, 2013 7:12 am

HJ_KG wrote:QUOTE (HJ_KG @ May 10 2013, 07:15 PM) I'm sorry, do what now?
I did agree with your previous post;

But, maybe your trying to say that 'americans' have little ground to stand on because most of it is taken up by thier hypocrisy?
Usually you paint with a finer brush Cam.
American political policy since the time the Brits partitioned Palistine to today certainly is absurd.
I don't know how much of this was driven by cold war proxy, as the two super powers divided the world into puppet nations.

Yes the hypocrisy is what I was referring to.

takingarms1 · Post by **takingarms1** » Sat May 11, 2013 10:14 pm

Ryujin wrote:QUOTE (Ryujin @ May 10 2013, 10:50 PM) *stuff*

Last time I checked, when displaying a flag or reciting poetry is illegal, you are being oppressed. Even if that changed recently, the oppression is still going to be shown. Just like after the slaves were "freed", they only had 3/5's of a vote, and weren't allowed to sit in the front of the bus.

Comical. The words you cited say that reciting such poetry or displaying such flags are no longer illegal.

Look I get that you're trying to argue that Palestinians are being oppressed. I agree, but frankly the reason they're being oppressed is because they have resorted to violence against civilians to make their point. This is not a situation anything like what happened to African Americans in the US. Call it what you want, but people who call it the Apartheid state are sensationalizing and taking a very one-sided view of the situation. At its base this is a dispute about land, heightened with crazy religious overtones. It's not about race.