Israel is about to raid the latest aid ship to Gaza

[qqmwoarplox]

You should send mcdonanlds into Gaza and give free meals, that'll keep everyone fat and statisfied over there and thus the conflict will stop.

[HSharp]

QUOTE (Raveen @ Oct 25 2012, 02:36 PM) Let's be fair though, the ship was sent out as a publicity stunt and to provoke pretty much exactly the reaction it received. It's taken the ongoing situation in Gaza and made it headline news again.

Has it really? I have seen 100x more interest in this Mid-East crisis in this thread then I have in the news.

[SgtMajor]

I think I understand where k10 is coming from, much like you retards praise Chavez, I lived there through the transitional period of democracy to communism and saw how $#@!ing bad it was, unlike most of you make it out to be

Reading about it =/= actually living through it

[CronoDroid]

QUOTE (Terran @ Oct 24 2012, 12:03 AM) Israel has had to make some tough calls to provide safety to its citizens, something any responsible (elected) government would do. If forming a separate Palestinian state is a risk to Israel, then Israel has the right to prevent it from happening. If a unified democratic gov't is a risk, that too is something that should be prevented. From the very beginning, when Israel's neighbours went to war, they lost their say on the matter. Just like Germany did at the end of WWII. The difference is, Germany is actually capable of governing itself and so the gov't figured out what it needs to do to protect its future interests.

The occupation is already a risk to Israel, so that's flawed reasoning. And nobody's lost their say on the matter. Egypt, Syria and Jordan are still independent states, they're just dealing with their own problems right now. You know inevitably the Palestinian issue will rear its head again so it's naive to suggest that Israel won't need to worry about its neighbors.

QUOTE (BREZHNEV @ Oct 24 2012, 12:46 AM) How is the population in Gaza being crushed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza#Economy

I wonder how they're suffering when they can afford to fire rockets from there into Israel http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world...i-1226502017746

How are the rockets getting in?

When will you fight for the rights of the Kurds and their statehood?

Typical, just keep ignoring the facts. The information you cited doesn't exactly paint the economic situation Gaza in a positive light.

Yes just because I can afford to build extremely crude and inaccurate rockets that have only killed a handful of people over the last few decades means that I should naturally be able to afford the luxuries of developed life so I have other things to do besides attacking Israel. How does this even make sense?

Again, this thread is about the Palestinian situation. If you want people to advocate for the Kurds...make a thread! Irrelevant argument.

QUOTE (BREZHNEV @ Oct 24 2012, 03:11 AM) Adept is in Finland. Of course it is a winter wonderland over there... they don't have the hot issues being faced in the middle east, balkans, africa so they can afford to lecture from atop their winter wonderland to others whilst drinking their cafe late and to preach about human rights.

Adept, perhaps you should campaign for more Gazans, Lybians and Syrians etc to migrate to Finland. God knows there are many that have tried to get in to the EU through the Porous border of Greece/Turkey but these countries sent these poor souls back to economically devastated Greece due to Shengen. I'm sure these migrants would jump at the chance given how wonderful the Finish economy is doing... just be sure to lobby to change the law so that foreigners children are automatically given Finnish citizenship.

It would be interesting to see rockets being fired into Finland from those wanting an Islamic state carved out of Finland and then see what his position would be.

And you are in another Western developed advanced liberal democracy. You don't have to worry about rockets being fired at your ass or Israeli forces killing your friends and family, so it's easy to support Israeli policies regarding the Palestinians.

Let's distract from the issue by talking about European politics. That works!

It would be interesting to see what your opinion would be if you lived in the occupied Palestinian territories...and you are a Palestinian.

QUOTE (SgtMajor @ Oct 24 2012, 01:04 PM) I don't applaud the ship's crew using the social media shield to possibly compromise the security of Israel, I mean if you are not hiding anything, then why not yield? Israelis should've shot the boat down after warning them without avail. That would have sent a message.

The classic fascist slogan, "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about!" If only competent individuals like you ran states, we'd be blowing up humanitarian ships all the time and locking up those undesirable ethnic minorities I guess.

QUOTE (NightRychune @ Oct 24 2012, 08:41 PM) having been around people forever, i don't think it's as simple as that - even if israel went "here's your land we're sorry we'll leave you alone now" it's not enough, because people like to be vindictive and will continue to lash out at israel in a childish manner until the day they die, because once you're utterly consumed by the desire for vengeance, it's all you really have, and vengeance spawns vengeance

heavy-handed retaliations cause collateral damage that kill people who weren't even involved in the first place, which spawns more hurt and anger, and the cycle continues on and on perpetually with no end

This is rather pessimistic. It's not just a matter of Israel cutting these people loose, the areas in question are still extremely underdeveloped compared to Israel and economically depressed. Now I don't mind Israel holding onto the land for a while longer if they actually made decent efforts to invest in them. Right now they're just shooting at the problem in the hopes that it will go away. Actually they've been doing that for the past 64 years. Maybe it's time for them to try something else.

It's completely true violence begets violence, but that's why they need to give the Palestinians something else to do with their lives.

QUOTE (qqqqqq @ Oct 25 2012, 06:40 AM) You should send mcdonanlds into Gaza and give free meals, that'll keep everyone fat and statisfied over there and thus the conflict will stop.

This is actually close to the solution. I'm a big believer in the positive effects of capitalism. If you give people @#(! to do and food to eat, they're just less likely to want to blow @#(! up. This is a fact. Go in, give them McDonalds. Give them reality TV, porn, video games, and the infrastructure to get jobs and pay for all this stuff. Sure capitalism comes with its own hosts of problems, but you don't see rednecks firing rockets at the Federal government because there's a Black man in charge, not with all the Bud Light and NASCAR you could ever want or need.

Yet.

[Viscur]

Gotcha, so the ultimate solution is to distract people from their problems.

Our 24 hour news media does this well.

[fuzzylunkin1]

QUOTE (Viscur @ Oct 25 2012, 09:29 PM) Gotcha, so the ultimate solution is to distract people from their problems.

Our 24 hour news media does this well.

Bring them reality television.

[Viscur]

Also, notice how I went with ultimate and not final? See? See what I could have done there?

Yea, yea I could have, but I didnt.

[CronoDroid]

QUOTE (Viscur @ Oct 25 2012, 06:29 PM) Gotcha, so the ultimate solution is to distract people from their problems.

Our 24 hour news media does this well.

It's not the ultimate solution but it's a good next step. The nature of economics means that generally speaking, once a population is able to afford the trappings that someone in the US can, they won't have the same sort of problems as before.

Of course this is not to say that heavy investment in education and other infrastructure isn't needed (and would be the logical prior step before you could get the other stuff to move in) but it's better in my opinion to move from the "I'm poor, religious and hate Israel" stage to the "I'm satisfied and complacent" stage BEFORE the "I'm civic minded and politically engaged without the killing people" stage.

Sure, distracting people from their problems isn't exactly ethical, but that's the person's fault. Businesses are there to make money. People in developed countries are given an enormous amount of luxury compared to the people living in a place like Gaza, all I ask is that they participate in the political process so they stop getting screwed over. If you don't follow politics or vote, you have no right to complain when the government does something you don't like.

[MrChaos]

Crono is basically advocating the give them stuff so they won't take mine violently from me approach to things. Honestly if you give someone a goal to reach, a safe place to do it, and some decent chance of doing it the way they want there ain't going to be to many muderously pissed off people. Oh sure they'll kill each other still but for stupid things and not in large groups destroying and killing to make it better.

Rocket attacks are scary @#(! yo, just like angry young man with guns. It doesn't take many times you feel threatened by one to start to harbor some strong feelings on the subject.

Clarity tends to come with safety and neat things to have or just getting sick and $#@!ing tired of always being sick and $#@!ing tired of the way things are all $#@!ed up. Honestly Raveen that whole cluster $#@! of a situation has some strong similarities just everyone finally felt the later which allowed the former to happen.


You hate me k10 Its , anyway,

[SgtMajor]

This is now a jew joke thread,

How does Moses make tea?

Hebrews it.