Two Party System

Cheezits · Post by **Cheezits** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:05 pm

there should be a liberal/libertarian party in the US, for all those who disagree with the disgusting authoritarianism of the two major parties. the platform would be:

protect civil liberties (IE stop the drone strikes, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention without a trial, "stop and frisk" policies etc. etc. etc.)

legalize weed. end the drug war.

enact a non-Imperialist, non-interventionist foreign policy.

on all the economic issues (healthcare, taxes, etc) where liberals and libertarians disagree, the party would allow individual members/politicians to make up their own minds. it would be fabulous, and will almost certainly never happen

lexaal · Post by **lexaal** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:10 pm

Usually green party is left wing because their enemies are typical right wing.
Big industry, oil companies, rich farmers. Very soon the green parties all over the planet adopted the other left wing topics which had nothing to do with the original environment issues: anti-war, more equal distribution of wealth and income , equality between man and woman, anti-nazi-stuff.At least that is in Germany but i believe it is the same in many other countries since it is structural the same; their foes are right wing aligned and their allies are left wing.

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:40 pm

Cheezits wrote:QUOTE (Cheezits @ Sep 2 2012, 12:05 PM) there should be a liberal/libertarian party in the US, for all those who disagree with the disgusting authoritarianism of the two major parties. the platform would be:

protect civil liberties (IE stop the drone strikes, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention without a trial, "stop and frisk" policies etc. etc. etc.)

legalize weed. end the drug war.

enact a non-Imperialist, non-interventionist foreign policy.

on all the economic issues (healthcare, taxes, etc) where liberals and libertarians disagree, the party would allow individual members/politicians to make up their own minds. it would be fabulous, and will almost certainly never happen

There already is a Libertarian Party in the US of A. It is one of the largest 3rd parties in the country.

It would probably be a political force if the sheep would stop voting for the lesser of two evils within the Republican and Democratic parties. Democrats can get behind its liberal social and foreign policies while Republicans can get behind the conservative fiscal policies.

Of course, most Republicans won't like the liberal social and foreign policies, and many Democrats won't like the fact that Libertarians don't believe in most social programs.

Still... at least thrusting the Libertarian party into National prominence would do a bit of good to moderate the US political spectrum (despite the fact that Right-Libertarianism* isn't really a moderate ideology, it appears that way on the stupid "Left-Right" political spectrum).

*I hear that in Europe the term Libertarian is typically associated with Left-Libertarians. The Libertarian party in the US is a Right-Libertarian party.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:13 am

lexaal wrote:QUOTE (lexaal @ Sep 3 2012, 01:10 AM) Usually green party is left wing because their enemies are typical right wing.
Big industry, oil companies, rich farmers. Very soon the green parties all over the planet adopted the other left wing topics which had nothing to do with the original environment issues: anti-war, more equal distribution of wealth and income , equality between man and woman, anti-nazi-stuff.At least that is in Germany but i believe it is the same in many other countries since it is structural the same; their foes are right wing aligned and their allies are left wing.

This is pretty close to my experience. In Finland the Greens are environmental / social-liberal, so they (we) are able to work with both the right and the left in a coalition. A sane, moderate capitalistic policy isn't out of the question.

Post by **Raveen** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:53 am

Cam, the UK at least doesn't use Libertarian at all. It's not a concept that I have any preconceptions of.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:40 am

Libertarianism is a very american fantasy. It reminds me of playing cowboys and indians.

lexaal · Post by **lexaal** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:02 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Sep 3 2012, 12:40 PM) Libertarianism is a very american fantasy. It reminds me of playing cowboys and indians.

It is more that "liberal" has the meaning "commie" in the US so a new word was needed to name the same thing.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:04 pm

lexaal wrote:QUOTE (lexaal @ Sep 3 2012, 08:02 PM) It is more that "liberal" has the meaning "commie" in the US so a new word was needed to name the same thing.

There's that, but liberal and libertarian have very different meanings.

Duckwarrior · Post by **Duckwarrior** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:12 pm

Raveen wrote:QUOTE (Raveen @ Sep 3 2012, 07:53 AM) Cam, the UK at least doesn't use Libertarian at all. It's not a concept that I have any preconceptions of.

Ahem, UKIP *cough*

QUOTE Farage declared himself personally in favour of the Alternative Vote system of May 2011, saying first-past-the-post is a "nightmare" for UKIP.[/quote]

Case closed then.

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:18 pm

Duckwarrior wrote:QUOTE (Duckwarrior @ Sep 3 2012, 11:12 AM) Ahem, UKIP *cough*

UKIP appears to want to bolster your defense spending and is anti-immigration.

However, aside from that, UKIP seems to be somewhat like the US Libertarian party, albeit yours actually has representation in your government.