Well since our discussions have been mostly on topic...

[dusanc]

QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ Feb 19 2012, 06:55 AM) If we're still hammering on the whole idea of substantially hindering an ints mobility then minigun damage needs to be buffed or int hull perked, or both
and give them 0 scan range for all I care
then they'll be completely dependent on con pushes/carrier pushes but will utterly destroy anything that gets too close
which makes the most sense conceptually imo

figs should not come close to being able to stand toe-to-toe with an int - in his territory - without a significant tech advantage/carrier support, etc
but ints also shouldn't be able to boost around the map freely making *everything* his own territory


in conclusion - buff minigun damage, buff int hull, remove int sensors, nerf fuel capacity, nerf ammo capacity, buff int accel/top speed

+1
Ints should have a maximum range to own a adjacent sector, not to go around the map.

[Raven_42]

The fuel was nerfed too much. The problem with XC changes, is they were made a certain value, and then rarely refined before the next set of changes was made. Reducing effective int range from being able to boost 2 sectors out on miner o, and 2 back gives a reason to get the superior miner o techs - tac and sup, for their range and damage. Ints can still intercept, still the best dogfighters. Get a sup for boost2 with the yield ga miners you can easily defend. However, I think the fuel capacity change should maybe be 10% instead.

[Spunkmeyer]

QUOTE (spideycw @ Feb 18 2012, 05:35 PM) I micromanage the majority of my miner loads dude because I am not an idiot.

We are not really talking about the same thing, but anyway.. let me ask you this: if no miner had less capacity than before (including Giga, which would have been the only one), that should alleviate your concern, correct?

[SpkWill]

The thing about the fuel change is it means if I go on miner o in a pu game I'm guaranteed a 5 min walk home either in a fuel less int or a pod. So I just stopped going miner o and sit in base and d whore which is boring as $#@!.

I don't really care about the balance so much but when you make it so dull to play the game I'm not happy.

[BillyBishop]

Well, if returing to base is an issue, usually it's a good thing to be on the prowl with a scout anyway, and you should be able to pod yourself on a rock and get that quick pu to base.

Sidenote; Spunky, the ramming of rocks is pretty much custom for quick pickups, can't we simply allow an ejection on single pilot craft?

[dusanc]

QUOTE (RoyBrown @ Feb 19 2012, 08:01 PM) Well, if returing to base is an issue, usually it's a good thing to be on the prowl with a scout anyway, and you should be able to pod yourself on a rock and get that quick pu to base.

Yeah tell sheff how to go on miner O.....
`gu

[spideycw]

Are you planning to release the core twice with different economy changes simultaneously?

[Spunkmeyer]

QUOTE (spideycw @ Feb 21 2012, 03:24 PM) Are you planning to release the core twice with different economy changes simultaneously?

Brood..

No, but maybe one without any economy changes and one with the changes discussed here. It's an idea.

BTW, did you see my question above?

[spideycw]

QUOTE (Spunkmeyer @ Feb 19 2012, 01:05 PM) We are not really talking about the same thing, but anyway.. let me ask you this: if no miner had less capacity than before (including Giga, which would have been the only one), that should alleviate your concern, correct?

Maybe...are you suggesting that you will make it so a Giga miner can suck a full 9k from 1 rock without me having to order the miner in anyway what so ever but it will mine slow as well and have paper thin hull??

[Spunkmeyer]

QUOTE (spideycw @ Feb 21 2012, 06:45 PM) Maybe...are you suggesting that you will make it so a Giga miner can suck a full 9k from 1 rock without me having to order the miner in anyway what so ever but it will mine slow as well and have paper thin hull??

What we were thinking is:

If a faction had a capacity nerf previously, replace it with a lesser magnitude efficiency nerf (since efficiency is more significant than capacity) and a significant mining speed nerf.
(IC, Dreg, TF, Belters, Omicron)

If a faction had a capacity bonus previously, replace it with a lesser magnitude efficiency bonus and a significant mining speed bonus. (Giga)

If a faction had neither a capacity bonus or a nerf, leave it alone, no changes.
(BIOS, Rix, GT)

So Giga is in a unique position as the only capacity bonus faction that would be affected in the way you suggested. We could leave Giga capacity alone, don't add any efficiency bonus and maybe add a small speed bonus.