Proposed Change in our Sportsmanship

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:04 pm

Dorjan wrote:QUOTE (Dorjan @ Jan 30 2012, 04:29 PM) What else is there to take from it? You said that you didn't resign after losing an early base in a post about allowing resigns if they're warrented. Ergo you're saying that your game would've ended there if you were allowed to resign.

I'm surprised you would think your post would be taken any other way considering the context of your post.

I gave 2 examples of how voobs resigned in matches they could have still won. I then gave an example of a match that any voob would have resigned but a non voob kept playing and WON - thus saying resigning is stupid from such minor setbacks. Frankly I am spinning in circles trying to figure out how on earth you can think I am or have ever been in favor of squad game resigns.

My post simply showed that games scum would resign based off your proposed change are games they could still win.

vogue wrote:QUOTE (vogue @ Jan 30 2012, 04:41 PM) the way i perceived his post it was something more along the lines of, "any other voob would've resigned there". and in fairness a squad like NI most likely would've resigned right there

100% accurate. Not sure how it could be read any other way. Maybe I did not add enough random "u"'s in my words British style!

Archangelus · Post by **Archangelus** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:06 pm

So instead of resigning, put a time limit!!!

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:08 pm

There is one very big glaring issue with your idea that resigning should be allowed and standard Dorjan. I think it shows slight ignorance of the fact that a game that is lost can still be fun. It may be lost now...it may be lost in an hour from now but if you resign now you may miss out on a good and hard fought game.

Frankly based off what you have said why shouldn't any lesser squad just resign one minute in against SysX? When was the last time @SF defeated us? They know they have no chance out the onset of the game but do they not cling to the glimmer of hope that they can defeat us? They do and THAT is what it is all about. Why doesn't GRAV just resign 4 hours earlier? Because that time has the potential to create some great moments win or lose that would never be realized if such cowardice was allowed. You propose to eliminate that by having teams be cheered, not villainized by resigning 4 minutes when their first op con dies - or they don't get the home rock they want.

Dorjan · Post by **Dorjan** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:09 pm

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Jan 30 2012, 11:04 PM) I gave 2 examples of how voobs resigned in matches they could have still won. I then gave an example of a match that any voob would have resigned but a non voob kept playing and WON - thus saying resigning is stupid from such minor setbacks. Frankly I am spinning in circles trying to figure out how on earth you can think I am or have ever been in favor of squad game resigns.

My post simply showed that games scum would resign based off your proposed change are games they could still win.

100% accurate. Not sure how it could be read any other way. Maybe I did not add enough random "u"'s in my words British style!

Oh spidey surely you could see I was just provoking you to talk more on the subject by spinning your words about to show that you don't NEED to resign but can if you so wish

Anyway, the point of locking someone in a room to make sure they eat their dinner is flawed. They might do it, they might not, either way they'll hate you and not in a good way and prob won't be good with eating their dinner again.

In other words... you may like it that you have to force people to learn like that, other people might not and in fact have the opposite result to what you want (people getting better) and instead people just going afk and stop playing this "boring" game...

*shrug*

I for one am just provking the discussion as I never resign squad games myself but I do find it odd this is the only game resigning is frowned upon since DotA, as vogue pointed out, if you wait in your base and lose (which you can do) you just wasted another 20 minutes. Or you could try to defend with your lvl10 stomped guys against their lvl20 fully farmed guys and waste time...

Dorjan · Post by **Dorjan** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:13 pm

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Jan 30 2012, 11:08 PM) There is one very big glaring issue with your idea that resigning should be allowed and standard Dorjan. I think it shows slight ignorance of the fact that a game that is lost can still be fun. It may be lost now...it may be lost in an hour from now but if you resign now you may miss out on a good and hard fought game.

Oh you're deciding not to read now? Just trolling or don't actually understand?

I'm not saying all squad games should be resigned but rather, allowing the "gg" after a tense match and allowing people to saver the match as a really good game and not the drawn out end IF, and ONLY IF it is a definite loss. Which is RARE.

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Jan 30 2012, 11:08 PM) Frankly based off what you have said why shouldn't any lesser squad just resign one minute in against SysX? When was the last time @SF defeated us? They know they have no chance out the onset of the game but do they not cling to the glimmer of hope that they can defeat us? They do and THAT is what it is all about. Why doesn't GRAV just resign 4 hours earlier? Because that time has the potential to create some great moments win or lose that would never be realized if such cowardice was allowed. You propose to eliminate that by having teams be cheered, not villainized by resigning 4 minutes when their first op con dies - or they don't get the home rock they want.

You again here are either trolling or just can't understand. You're taking the old fedman approach to this and assume "if we don't frown upon people resigning in well through out situations then everyone can resign whenever and never be criticised."

Dear ol' dear...

Gandalf2 · Post by **Gandalf2** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:18 pm

I've had some fun moments over the years with RT on games that we knew were lost. It's times like that the camaraderie of the squad comes together. Things like trying an insane tt run that had 0% of success but it was fun trying anyway, or singing the imperial march as we watch the enemy wtfpwnbattlecruisership come to our last base, or even just boosting around in a light int with 5 heavies chasing me, cackling like a madman.

I think XT resign against RT routinely cos they think it annoys us. Apart from that, and the 3h40 game which was resigned as people had lives to go to, and the 9min resign I can't remember many resigns. It's about honour imo, and is one of the things that make SG's different to PUG's. Also as part of that honour I never see winning teams messing about excessively (grav taking a while to end it doesn't count, he's just insanely cautious & we all do shout at him when he deserves it

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QUOTE Frankly based off what you have said why shouldn't any lesser squad just resign one minute in against SysX? When was the last time @SF defeated us? They know they have no chance out the onset of the game but do they not cling to the glimmer of hope that they can defeat us? They do and THAT is what it is all about. Why doesn't GRAV just resign 4 hours earlier? Because that time has the potential to create some great moments win or lose that would never be realized if such cowardice was allowed. You propose to eliminate that by having teams be cheered, not villainized by resigning 4 minutes when their first op con dies - or they don't get the home rock they want.[/quote]
Brilliantly put

Elzam_ · Post by **Elzam_** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:18 pm

It's just like teen pregnancy. "If we let teenagers buy birth control they're just going to have sex like crazy!" or something.

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:23 pm

Dorjan wrote:QUOTE (Dorjan @ Jan 30 2012, 06:13 PM) Oh you're deciding not to read now? Just trolling or don't actually understand?

I'm not saying all squad games should be resigned but rather, allowing the "gg" after a tense match and allowing people to saver the match as a really good game and not the drawn out end IF, and ONLY IF it is a definite loss. Which is RARE.

You again here are either trolling or just can't understand. You're taking the old fedman approach to this and assume "if we don't frown upon people resigning in well through out situations then everyone can resign whenever and never be criticised."

Dear ol' dear...

I was cutting you some slack because I like you but now you are being $#@!ing idiotic. Who decides what or what is not a definite loss? If you don't say me then you have no legs to stand on because most games are winnable through the right combination of skill, luck, and elbow grease.

The one thing people like you are incapable of understanding is that just because the other team has 3 adv techs and you have nothing but a garrison doesn't mean the game is over; Nine times out of ten it means the game has just began.

You are advocating for a path that will keep people from realizing this.

p.s. you should have put up a poll in between doing the inane prattling your last few posts have consisted of.

fuzzylunkin1 · Post by **fuzzylunkin1** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:29 pm

Time to put Spidey on ignore....

Dorjan · Post by **Dorjan** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:33 pm

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Jan 30 2012, 11:23 PM) I was cutting you some slack because I like you but now you are being $#@!ing idiotic. Who decides what or what is not a definite loss? If you don't say me then you have no legs to stand on because most games are winnable through the right combination of skill, luck, and elbow grease.

Mostly agree with you, the _team_ decides though. An example I can think of would be a two hour match where both teams are exhausted. One team finally takes the main tech base of the other team who have ran out of funds and have no active miners. That was the best fight of the game everyone is like *sigh* that was amazing. But now no one has the energy to keep on fighting, it was a good run, we might be able to continue but real life needs to happen now. GG. End of match #Resign.

Everyone will remember the match for the battle and intense gameplay up until that point and not the dragged out end game that could happen.

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Jan 30 2012, 11:23 PM) The one thing people like you are incapable of understanding is that just because the other team has 3 adv techs and you have nothing but a garrison doesn't mean the game is over; Nine times out of ten it means the game has just began.

Again you're not reading, I said I would never resign myself. I'm just pointing out this is the only game where #resign is frown upon in situations like the above.

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Jan 30 2012, 11:23 PM) You are advocating for a path that will keep people from realizing this.

No I'm not at all, if you think everyone would exercise this at every point then you'd be sadly mistaken but a lot of players stop playing SGs due to the issues of not being able to start on time and the games lasting forever.

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Jan 30 2012, 11:23 PM) p.s. you should have put up a poll in between doing the inane prattling your last few posts have consisted of.

Maybe, but a poll would just be yes no and not people discussing it, since there is no rule here just a common bond.