WTF WTF WTF

Makida · Post by **Makida** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:10 am

Heyoka wrote:QUOTE (Heyoka @ Oct 1 2011, 01:05 AM) You don't spend 40million to kill a guy unless he poses a significant threat.

Pfft, is 40 million really that much money nowadays?

NightRychune · Post by **NightRychune** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:10 am

who knows

thing is, arguing about @#(! like this on moral grounds one way or the other is always a dead-end street

i'd rather talk about these things in more practical terms

Makida · Post by **Makida** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:15 am

In practical terms, I'm guessing this is an attempt by the Obama administration to look tougher on national security, which will probably backfire because it still won't get right-wingers to vote for him, but may alienate left-wingers. But that's just my guess from an armchair.

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:17 am

girlyboy wrote:QUOTE (girlyboy @ Oct 1 2011, 01:15 AM) In practical terms, I'm guessing this is an attempt by the Obama administration to look tougher on national security, which will probably backfire because it still won't get right-wingers to vote for him, but may alienate left-wingers. But that's just my guess from an armchair.

as long as you admit you are guessing.
pretty much anyone who claims to "know" anything about this is full of @#(!

NightRychune · Post by **NightRychune** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:22 am

except mister scahill here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmYcVJyg-O4

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:47 am

NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Oct 1 2011, 12:22 AM) except mister scahill here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmYcVJyg-O4

I was mostly referring to alleg people...

Post by **Dome** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:01 am

girlyboy wrote:QUOTE (girlyboy @ Sep 30 2011, 09:32 PM) Most importantly, why aren't taxpayers out in force protesting Big Government using tens of millions of dollars of their money just to kill one dude?

I wish I could afford to quit my job and protest all day. I'd probably start with protesting the 500-700 (who really knows how much) Billion dollar bail out of our supposed neoliberal based market system... but those people just got maced..

Going back to my original point: Being a homeless/jobless protester doesn't really inspire a lot of sympathy or support. Currently there aren't enough people willing to protest because they are either caught up in trying to survive, or are living well off enough to not give a @#(!.

And activists are seemingly way too unorganized to get the attention they deserve. A singular cause for protest gets lost in the myriad other things that are worth protesting.

germloucks · Post by **germloucks** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:16 am

Reading some of these posts made me remember this post i stumbled upon a while back, so i googled it and posted it here. It talks about who was right, Aldous Huxley (A brave new world) or George Orwell (1984) in their portrayal of likely elements of a dystopian future

QUOTE What George Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Aldous Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. (TV?) Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. (Google?) Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. (Twitter? Facebook? “Breaking news”?)[/quote]

QUOTE As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny failed to take into account man’s almost infinite appetite for distractions.[/quote]\

....infinite appetite for distraction. thats what i think about when i hear about these protests which are popular but probably wont achieve anything precisely because of that reason.

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:20 am

germloucks wrote:QUOTE (germloucks @ Oct 1 2011, 02:16 AM) Reading some of these posts made me remember this post i stumbled upon a while back, so i googled it and posted it here. It talks about who was right, Aldous Huxley (A brave new world) or George Orwell (1984) in their portrayal of likely elements of a dystopian future

good post! i'd say there's elements of truth to both of their lines of thought

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:21 am

but you cut down your post in the time that it took for me to reply... I guess you are advocating orwells side?