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NightRychune
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I meant more looting as opposed to protesting, as in any police action isn't going to escalate the situation because it's not angry violence it's just mindless, need some heavy handed policing not stationary walls getting bricked at. If any time called for kettling it would be now.SP4WN wrote:QUOTE (SP4WN @ Aug 9 2011, 02:15 AM) Dude, its not just looting they are literally burning buildings down and trashing @#(!.
30 families have had to go to shelters and i watched some poor woman crying her eyes out after they burnt her building out and she lost everything.
This goes well beyond looting and disgusts me. Its one thing to $#@! up a business that is insured against this @#(!, its another to piss off 90yr old women.
I agree the police got caught with their pants down, but there isnt even much more than they can do. The stupid human rights $#@!wits wont allow cannons or rubber bullets/beanbags.
raumvogel wrote:QUOTE (raumvogel @ Aug 8 2011, 07:47 PM) Bloody hell! Now the Brummies are into it!
This group sounds British enough to fit the bill
Just like our English cousins, civil unrest is no stranger to America. (looking pointedly upwards while stroking his chin)-->Why I can remember my dad, driving me and a few buddies down to 12th street in Detroit ( I spelled it Detriot in those days) to see the utter devastation. I was 9 years old at the time. Ah, those were the days........
.......BTW, I'm fairly sure that Detroit lost it's bid for the 1968 Olympics in large part because of the riots.
They happened almost... well I know I have both socks and shoes off and ran out of little piggies so its more then forty years ago. After that things get tricky with adding up all the naughts. Where was I oh yeah! Maybe its time to move onto something new to be outraged over.... Detroit did about the time the monster the riots built, Coleman Young, died.
tl;dr Perpetuating views based on actions of others done almost two generations ago never allows the current generation to move onto greener pastures
MrChaos
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Well, I feel torn. On the one hand the simple criminals destroying people's homes and stealing things are just that, simple criminals, and certainly don't deserve any consideration. On the other hand, I'd like to hear more about the inequality, the brutality and/or unfairness of the police, whether real or perceived or both, etc., and the other issues that are actually behind the riots, and what the government intends to do about these issues, looking beyond trying to maintain order in the short run (if anything).
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that_bloke
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So we've got reported civil disorder, spreading from city to city and working its way up the country......
Does anyone else think ZZZZZZZOMBIIIEEESSSSS!
Or is there something wrong with the way my brain works?
Edit ,, its it's
Does anyone else think ZZZZZZZOMBIIIEEESSSSS!
Or is there something wrong with the way my brain works?
Edit ,, its it's
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NightRychune
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this is what an acquaintance of mine had to say about all of this
QUOTE So the whole UK thing started around what was supposed to be a peaceful protest over what was viewed as "excessive force" with the police shooting and killing someone who alledgedly shot at them.
That's currently a little muddy as apparently some of the ballistics found on scene are from a police handgun but there's also signs that they were being shot at - this is all slightly irrelevant to the matter at hand though as that only came out after the riots.
The protest was then hijacked by violent individuals and turned into a full blown riot. The best comparison I've heard is the Vancouver riots - its oppurtunists looking for a chance to stir @#(! up and break the law, not any cause, or any movement. The riots are centered in the poorer districts of London and people are reporting similar things in other cities, but I haven't heard major confirmation on those (Birmingham and London are the only two cities so far to really suffer, I've heard there might've been stuff in Liverpool and Leeds however).
As for why... it's hard to say. The areas are generally populated by the poor and the people who live off welfare. They likely come from families who live off welfare - ie: parents never worked, they don't intend to ever work, so on, so on. This tends to create a lack of respect for others, their belongings, and their work and creates a large group of people with a similar mentality. Some other things that have been reported on is there's large numbers of minorities involved, largely due to their lack of trust in the Metropolitan Police. Otherwise its just criminals being oppurtunists and gangs sorting out turf wars in the chaos.
Why the riots are continuing and spreading, thats the weird thing really. The government's cuts and current plans to get the UK out of the financial crisis aren't the most popular, but this doesn't feel political. If I had to say, I'd say its more... class based rioting than anything, which might sound strange to non-UK individuals, but class still holds relevance in Britain. It's... alarming to say the least. I've seen before and after pictures of the destruction and its really, really shocking. There's no message here, just mindless violence. No purpose, just... criminality. There isn't a cause to rally behind (like the student protests earlier in the year, which were similarly hijacked) or some kind of point to be made. It's just a sudden violent surge and the police are in no way equipped to handle it.[/quote]
QUOTE So the whole UK thing started around what was supposed to be a peaceful protest over what was viewed as "excessive force" with the police shooting and killing someone who alledgedly shot at them.
That's currently a little muddy as apparently some of the ballistics found on scene are from a police handgun but there's also signs that they were being shot at - this is all slightly irrelevant to the matter at hand though as that only came out after the riots.
The protest was then hijacked by violent individuals and turned into a full blown riot. The best comparison I've heard is the Vancouver riots - its oppurtunists looking for a chance to stir @#(! up and break the law, not any cause, or any movement. The riots are centered in the poorer districts of London and people are reporting similar things in other cities, but I haven't heard major confirmation on those (Birmingham and London are the only two cities so far to really suffer, I've heard there might've been stuff in Liverpool and Leeds however).
As for why... it's hard to say. The areas are generally populated by the poor and the people who live off welfare. They likely come from families who live off welfare - ie: parents never worked, they don't intend to ever work, so on, so on. This tends to create a lack of respect for others, their belongings, and their work and creates a large group of people with a similar mentality. Some other things that have been reported on is there's large numbers of minorities involved, largely due to their lack of trust in the Metropolitan Police. Otherwise its just criminals being oppurtunists and gangs sorting out turf wars in the chaos.
Why the riots are continuing and spreading, thats the weird thing really. The government's cuts and current plans to get the UK out of the financial crisis aren't the most popular, but this doesn't feel political. If I had to say, I'd say its more... class based rioting than anything, which might sound strange to non-UK individuals, but class still holds relevance in Britain. It's... alarming to say the least. I've seen before and after pictures of the destruction and its really, really shocking. There's no message here, just mindless violence. No purpose, just... criminality. There isn't a cause to rally behind (like the student protests earlier in the year, which were similarly hijacked) or some kind of point to be made. It's just a sudden violent surge and the police are in no way equipped to handle it.[/quote]
Riots up in Liverpool now too :/ about 500 people running about my area in masks according to the news -- haven't seen any actual rioters, but lots of police, and I could hear the rioters, uh, rioting, last night.
Good old Toxteth
I think the police are gonna stay on top of it here though -- they've probably had enough warning to know that this area would definitely be the first to go in Liverpool.
There's also a lot going down in Nottingham now too according to my cousin. Its kind of cool in a way -- this is the only large scale rioting I've ever known having grown up under Major and then new labour, but it seems that there really is no agenda, not even anger at economic conditions, fuelling this -- just chavs destroying @#(! because they can, and generally being criminals.
If there was more to it -- if it was actually people up in arms about the fact that the government has $#@!ing ruined my future by crippling me with debt in the near future -- then maybe I would join in. But its not, its just @#$%@#s being @#$%@#s.
Good old Toxteth
I think the police are gonna stay on top of it here though -- they've probably had enough warning to know that this area would definitely be the first to go in Liverpool.
There's also a lot going down in Nottingham now too according to my cousin. Its kind of cool in a way -- this is the only large scale rioting I've ever known having grown up under Major and then new labour, but it seems that there really is no agenda, not even anger at economic conditions, fuelling this -- just chavs destroying @#(! because they can, and generally being criminals.
If there was more to it -- if it was actually people up in arms about the fact that the government has $#@!ing ruined my future by crippling me with debt in the near future -- then maybe I would join in. But its not, its just @#$%@#s being @#$%@#s.
The last two posts are spot-on imo.
The only two responses I've heard reported from rioters are...
"I'm getting my taxes back", and
"I got no money today"
That's not really political reasons...
The only two responses I've heard reported from rioters are...
"I'm getting my taxes back", and
"I got no money today"
That's not really political reasons...
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