Unheard: Moody's says USA might lose AAA rating

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mcwarren4
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Post by mcwarren4 »

A few observations:

- S&P wasn't the only one to have downgraded the US.

- Cashto, this is the sort of thing that happens when those two lines get too close together... ;)

- The Tea Party's fault? :o If the Tea Party had its way there would be a balanced budget amendment. Maybe this is actually a gift to them since it might force a discussion about it. Although I think Dome was saying that in jest, I do find it interesting how the media has been saying that the Tea Party won. It couldn't be further from the truth.

- I don't think we'll see too much of a reaction from this in the bond markets next week. This is serious though and shouldn't be taken lightly.

- My work is done here. I am re-entering my retirement from the boards effective immediately. It was fun to drop back in for a visit, but its time for me to redouble my focus on my business and clients. FreeBeer, be sure to turn the lights off when you finish mopping up around here. :biggrin:
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Post by cashto »

You can check out any time you like, mcwarren, but you can never leave.
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Post by Camaro »

BIG WHOOP. As of 2010 China has 27% of our foreign holdings. Our foreign holdings are 32% of the total debt.

Therefore 32% x 27% = 8.6% of our debt is held by China.

A sizable portion to be sure, but its not like they can call the shots for us.


The very fact that foreign governments hold so much of our debt shows how much faith they have that our debt is safe. Wasn't there an article earlier this year that China sold off so much of our debt that Japan returned to being our #1 foreign debt holder?
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Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Aug 6 2011, 09:38 PM) Therefore 32% x 27% = 8.6% of our debt is held by China.

A sizable portion to be sure, but its not like they can call the shots for us.
What happens when they send Jackie Chan, Jet Li and Sammo Hung to collect the debts?

Also it's $1.164~ trillion so nothing to scoff at.
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Post by Camaro »

HSharp wrote:QUOTE (HSharp @ Aug 6 2011, 12:18 PM) What happens when they send Jackie Chan, Jet Li and Sammo Hung to collect the debts?

Also it's $1.164~ trillion so nothing to scoff at.
But HSharp, you must remember that in situations like these its the debtor that holds the greater bargaining chips than the lender.
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BackTrak wrote:QUOTE (BackTrak @ Aug 3 2011, 12:32 AM) Adept's really just beating around the bush. He wants to come out and say: "Kill all the old people NOW!", he's just finding a nice way to put it.
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mcwarren4 wrote:QUOTE (mcwarren4 @ Aug 3 2011, 07:11 AM) Yes, there is certainly is an argument to raise taxes. However, the argument has been centered on only raising taxes on the top 5% of wage earners. Obama bet his chips on winning the class warfare/ideological argument instead of working on a real solution to the problem. Many Americans understood this, thus he lost support. Another OECD chart will show you that the US already has the most highly progressive tax rate schedule among the OECD nations.
Oh god, I just realised McW get's his talking points literally from rightwingnews. :o

I wonder what the "most progressive" there means in the real world. The taxation seems pretty mild when looking and comparing the actual numbers with those of other nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

For somebody who keeps quoting derisive comments about "class warfare", you seem to be waging it pretty heavily mcw. :unsure:
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Post by MrChaos »

Ive been reading up on your homeland quite a bit Adept. Its an interesting place and I can start to get a sampling of where you are coming from in your views both domestic and aboard. Thats it, other then to say thankee for making me so curious.
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Any time mr C, and thanks for having patience with a nosy furriner like me :iluv:

/edit btw, our version of the Teaparty, the so called "True Finns" are more annoying than yours. :doh:
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Post by Camaro »

Heh, the funny part of all this.

The left wanted tax increases and cuts to cover the deficit. That would have worked.

The right wanted pure cuts to cover the deficit. That also would have worked.

But the compromise doesn't really work... just lays down the framework for whoever comes next.
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