Omicron

Post by **pkk** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:13 am

OH ships may have a turret, but they don't have extra energy, ammo, hitpoints, ...

Having such a turret is overall no real advantage, you could have a 2nd ship, which has it's own ammo, missiles, hitpoints, shields, energy, ... and it would be a 2nd target for the enemy.

Post by **Raveen** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:52 pm

QUOTE I am going to make projectiles for the new turret guns, so it looks like you're shooting more than 1 projectile. Sometime.[/quote]

if you're still planning this Weed there are some turrets in EoR that do this. You could reuse or at least test with that texture if you fancy it.

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:03 pm

pkk wrote:QUOTE (pkk @ Jan 23 2011, 11:13 PM) OH ships may have a turret, but they don't have extra energy, ammo, hitpoints, ...

Having such a turret is overall no real advantage, you could have a 2nd ship, which has it's own ammo, missiles, hitpoints, shields, energy, ... and it would be a 2nd target for the enemy.

It is a lot easier to coordinate 2 pilots to a single task when they are in the same ship.
For that reason, it is a huge advantage in a PuG for killing miners and cons.

SpaceJunk · Post by **SpaceJunk** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:23 pm

And it makes the enemy overconfident.

"Oh, just a scout flying around... OMG IT HAS A TURRENT! STOP IT! NOT THE MINERS!"

lexaal · Post by **lexaal** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:03 pm

Well, it forces you to use and analyze f6 very often, so it's a bit annoying to play vs oh imo.

ryjamsan · Post by **ryjamsan** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:12 pm

NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Jan 22 2011, 03:48 AM) this is just the sort of thing that doesn't hold up well in typical disorganized pug-level play. You aren't going to leave just 1 scout sitting on a miner against any other tac team, why would you do it against Omicron? Or, since Omicron takes so long to get tech up - they will probably put their TP at their tech rock of choice - you will likely be able to easily predict what tech they are going quite some time before it's actually up and be able to react accordingly. Going tac? A few caltrops/towers in some key places will keep your miners safe.

If they're going sup? You can probably get mini2 ints up before they can get enh figs and their turret weapons up, and just steamroll their miners and push cons everywhere with no problem. It takes them 5 minutes after they get their tech base up to buy their special turrets, and at additional cost. You also need double the personnel in order to maximize their effectiveness, and in many cases I'm not sure having 6 figs with 1 turret each is more effective than having 12 figs rush something.

Omicron has such a slow, weak early game that you should be able to just kick the @#(! out of them early on with ANY faction.

I think you was playing for masta last night when it was his OH vs my TF. While I had steam rolled Cable on CC10 2 hours before(then the server reset in the middle of the game and we got on cc11) we didnt have the same advantage in the 2nd game.

I really didnt do anything different. We had great miner O but OH still got adv sup and finnally killed all my miners.

After our attempt to place a sup fail we resigned since I had to go to work and didnt need to turtle in our heavy TF ints for four hours

What would you suggest doing as TF AdvEXP vs OH ADV Sup since you created this monster:)

HTT was ineffective:(

ThePhantom032 · Post by **ThePhantom032** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:17 pm

ryjamsan wrote:QUOTE (ryjamsan @ Jan 25 2011, 09:12 PM) I think you was playing for masta last night when it was his OH vs my TF. While I had steam rolled Cable on CC10 2 hours before(then the server reset in the middle of the game and we got on cc11) we didnt have the same advantage in the 2nd game.

I really didnt do anything different. We had great miner O but OH still got adv sup and finnally killed all my miners.

After our attempt to place a sup fail we resigned since I had to go to work and didnt need to turtle in our heavy TF ints for four hours

What would you suggest doing as TF AdvEXP vs OH ADV Sup since you created this monster:)

HTT was ineffective:(

pod them all and camp the base?

Icky · Post by **Icky** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:20 pm

ryjamsan wrote:QUOTE (ryjamsan @ Jan 25 2011, 03:12 PM) I think you was playing for masta last night when it was his OH vs my TF. While I had steam rolled Cable on CC10 2 hours before(then the server reset in the middle of the game and we got on cc11) we didnt have the same advantage in the 2nd game.

I really didnt do anything different. We had great miner O but OH still got adv sup and finnally killed all my miners.

After our attempt to place a sup fail we resigned since I had to go to work and didnt need to turtle in our heavy TF ints for four hours

What would you suggest doing as TF AdvEXP vs OH ADV Sup since you created this monster:)

HTT was ineffective:(

He's saying don't let them get the ADV Sup. If you had great miner O they wouldn't have been mining. Either that, or you had great miner O and didn't take advantage.

Honestly, I don't think anyone reasonable will argue we should balance anything based on Ryj's success at command.