Awesome Bug

Psychosis · Post by **Psychosis** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:58 am

the entire backside of those fins is empty, nothing there

you could hide a scout in there and drop a tp

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:13 pm

WTF? So the wall is just there but you can fly right through ti on both sides?

Is this just for the Exp?

Ramaglor · Post by **Ramaglor** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:54 pm

There are similar holes in other bases that have been there since the creation of Alleg. But thanks for the tip.

raingriffin · Post by **raingriffin** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:30 pm

Well, the Exp had more than a single problem actually...

First of all the base was 12.186 polys heavy... can you believe that, but the model is way lighter.

The cvh tho... 10.812 polys... GAH wtf i thought

look for yourself

somehow orion's exporting script went awry or somethng...

this is how it should look like:

It still didn't work, so i have redrawn the cvh almost entirely. In the end the second problem was again a radius problem. the cvh reported a radius of 3.6+ while mdlview calculated a 4.9

That said, this CVH has been tested and it works, it's quite precise, doors work, no more entering sides or back or anything, and you bump where you should.

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1790605/rarfiles/ss400.cvh

I used the original artwork model so...

I include these...
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1790605/rarfiles/gtpali.rar
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1790605/rarfiles/gtres.rar
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1790605/rarfiles/rixexp.rar
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1790605/rarfiles/gtgarr.rar

the ones i worked on earlier. GT pali and res were tested by me and kramari and worked fine enough, the rix exp has ben tested by me only but it works (it's worth a look at th cvh at least i hope, but i think compeller may have a better work already, cause mine was done in a hurry)
The Gt garr isn't perfect imho, but i tried it out til it seemed to work well enough (no bumps while flying by the pylon corners, no bumps halfway through the door and such things)

all of these were done before we found out about the scaling range issue. That means they're customized to work well enough but i've done it by tailoring the cvh in milk instead than checking the radius in the cvh proper. Noy a veryelegant way to solve those issues i know, but i urge you to at least try the files before trashing the whole thing, it may be that they work well enough to be used sparing the people working on doors and cvh a bit of time.

P.S. the GT exp fix was done by checking the radius, so it was made "properly" oh and it's 1797 faces against the original 12k+ not bad huh)
Edit: strike this too, if we don't count in a weird cvh poly number the new cvh accounts for more or less the same number of faces, so you won't really notice any big difference, except that it's maybe a little more snug-fitting

Hope this helps.

raingriffin · Post by **raingriffin** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:02 pm

I am told sometimes the imported cvh can be awesomely messed and that's the reason for the 100k over polys. So strike that

Andon · Post by **Andon** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:17 pm

yeah, it happens sometimes. Not too often, so I've got no idea why it happens, but it does.

EDIT: It's also in the conversion from MDL to Milkshape, so it's not anything that's going to bother Alleg

Psychosis · Post by **Psychosis** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:12 pm

its not a hole, its the entire back side of the fin, so far, only found on the exp by accident

Paradigm2 · Post by **Paradigm2** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:30 pm

You fixed a GT base? Implement this immediately!

raingriffin · Post by **raingriffin** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:58 pm

i said i think i do. regular testing is warmly suggested. After all i am only a meddler at heart.

Parasitism · Post by **Parasitism** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:14 am

Volunteers for testing!