Pulse probes

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:46 pm

phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ Aug 23 2009, 01:27 PM) To put this kindly: Spidey just mined his home and half a sector and won AT. I'll be back with how insanely op Bios is after some calcs

phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ Sep 21 2009, 09:13 AM) As a side note, why is it every time I win someone makes a CC thread about nerfing whatever it is I used? (p.s. this is a joke it's only happened twice)

Xeretov · Post by **Xeretov** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:20 pm

There's a lot of comments in here of what to do, but few reasons of why to do it.

I'm not yet convinced that we need to change PPs, or that the changes we make will have any effect on gameplay. If you want a change to PPs then please include why you feel they should be changed and how you think the changes will improve balance.

Icky · Post by **Icky** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:26 pm

Please do NOT change them. PPs work fine as is, like most of the things that Adept suggests changing.

PPs are a nicely balanced double edged-sword. The exp team that buys them risks having them used against them on HTT runs. They are fine on interceptors. One PP is not really enough to drop, eye an SF, run him down, and kill him if the SF has any kind of clue. It IS enough to scare him off or deter solo runs on miners. If an int wants to carry more than one, then its a sacrifice of fuel or ammo, which is pretty major.

The real issue when you are tac are scouts dropping them to hunt down your SBs/SFs, and Adept's suggestion does not address that.

Do. Not. Touch.

Post by **zombywoof** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:00 pm

I agree with icky wholeheartedly. It is definitely possible to attack miners with SFs and it's definitely possible to SB vs PPs. Sure, it takes talent, and patience, and teamwork, but that's how allegiance is supposed to work.

Icky · Post by **Icky** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:03 pm

Exactly! It's hard to bomb vs heavy ints too, should we nerf them some more? Also it's too hard to get through proxed alephs and defend against large galv runs!

juckto · Post by **juckto** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:43 am

pp's work too well against probing.

Speaking as a scout pilot, once the enemy team has pp you can pretty much give up probing, the stuff will die faster than you place it. If both teams have pp then the game becomes Blindman's Bluff.

Perhaps EWS probe 2 can follow ss2, and be put in garrison?

TurkeyXIII · Post by **TurkeyXIII** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:27 am

EWS2 still gets eyed at 1250 by a pp, and doesn't spot a bbr until 1200. EWS3 is OK vs pps, but not fantastic.

Icky wrote:The real issue when you are tac are scouts dropping them to hunt down your SBs/SFs, and Adept's suggestion does not address that.

Same thing when defending vs intbombing: It's the pulsing nans that make it hard to stay hidden, not the two-probe ints.

Xeretov · Post by **Xeretov** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:51 am

The deprobing issue is partly because PPs have half the load space as a regular EWS probe. Meaning a basic scout carries 1 EWS per slot, but 2 PPs per slot. This makes it super easy to spam them with a scout. If you get hvy scouts, its 4 PPs to a slot. It is possible to change this so that PPs are one to a slot on both scouts and ints. Hvy scouts would then only carry 2 to a slot, but thats an acceptable perk due to the cost of buying hvy scouts.

EWS 3 also carries two to a slot, but its specific to Adv. Sup.

Sonic · Post by **Sonic** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:30 am

There's nothing wrong with pulse probes. Leave them alone plz.

Malicious Wraith · Post by **Malicious Wraith** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:35 am

PP take less cargo space because they are momentary screencaps of space.

Don't touch PP functionality.