Temp Removal of XRM-AB

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:47 am

A tp scout can hide 12k out then make his run in and drop and that you cannot stop. Your only hope is that you can kill it in time while he is nanning it and avoid his mines.

Also Juckto I meant those who vote "WE SHOULD TAKE THEM OUT" in case you are confused about what the yes option is

SaiSoma · Post by **SaiSoma** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:17 am

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Jul 24 2008, 08:47 PM) A tp scout can hide 12k out then make his run in and drop and that you cannot stop. Your only hope is that you can kill it in time while he is nanning it and avoid his mines.

If the drop is 6-7k out, you could be completely screwed, true.

Dark_Sponge · Post by **Dark_Sponge** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:56 am

I'd like xrms to stay in. TP2 is the only endgame strategy that requires 2 upped bases. It should be tough to stop.

Nerf it some more but leave it in.

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:11 am

Dark_Sponge wrote:QUOTE (Dark_Sponge @ Jul 24 2008, 10:56 PM) I'd like xrms to stay in. TP2 is the only endgame strategy that requires 2 upped bases. It should be tough to stop.

Nerf it some more but leave it in.

Have you heard of a figbee?
How about Giga Shipyard?

WhiskeyGhost · Post by **WhiskeyGhost** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:09 am

I said remove em. I'd like to see what happens more then anything, but mostly, i'd like to see some new strategies for Sup against Hvy ints w/mini3 that work reasonably well on a level field without resorting to needing XRM.

I don't recall seeing more then 1 or 2 games where sup w/sy off won, and beat maxed out Exp without resorting to another tech path (or being horribly stacked).

Ramaglor · Post by **Ramaglor** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:13 am

The only times I found it overly difficult to set up a tp2 drop has been when flying reg/adv scouts while the enemy is actively searching with adv/hvy scouts. And even then, its perfectly possible, especially with multiple veteran tp2 scouts.

Also a fully upgraded sy is 15k(the base) +10k + 15k + 20k + 25k (class upgrades)= 85k for battleships, plus you have to factor in shipspeed, large sheild 2+3, skycap through longtom..... so total cost for "unstoppable" battleships will put you back over 110k, plus 10k per ship, along with the corvettes, carriers, and frigates that people have wasted.. Meanwhile, if you are going tp2 xrm, you already have an upgraded supremacy, so its 10k (starbase)+ 10k (hvy bombers) + 10k (tp1 +2) + 10k (xrm 1 +2) = 40k, relatively unstoppable in a pickup game, and even if you add in hvy scouts, and 15 hvy bombers, thats still only half the cost of your battleships.

Also the only thing i've seen battleships used in a regular game was for turtle breaking. If you can break a turtle with tp2 scouts with a faction other than bios, you probably didn't need to use tp2.

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:20 am

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Jul 24 2008, 02:47 PM) I would like to hear some of the reasons people are voting yes

I vote yes because constant change keeps the gameplay fresh. Also, figbees are underused.

Also, so that I don't have to hear you whining about it anymore ... /mrgreen.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="mrgreen.gif" />

CronoDroid · Post by **CronoDroid** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:29 am

I voted keep them because I can't be bothered with working hard to win the game. It's too much to ask for another competent TP2'er. And no, IB does not count as one.

Gandalf2 · Post by **Gandalf2** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:57 am

I think we should keep them, but I'm willing to see how things go without them, so on the basis that this is a temporary removal, I voted to remove them.

SaiSoma · Post by **SaiSoma** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:49 pm

Ramaglor wrote:QUOTE (Ramaglor @ Jul 24 2008, 11:13 PM) its 10k (starbase)+ 10k (hvy bombers) + 10k (tp1 +2) + 10k (xrm 1 +2) = 40k, relatively unstoppable in a pickup game, and even if you add in hvy scouts, and 15 hvy bombers, thats still only half the cost of your battleships.

Make XRM cost 50k? 25k? Obviously we're going to take it out and test, tho.

Mmm . .brainstorming, move xrm to SY?