Booting is kinda unfair?

[takingarms1]

Yeah I think the lesson here is that commanders need to boot more often. That's right, I said it.

How often have you commanded a game and half the team completely ignores you and flies around in circles? How often have you explained the same tired concept over and over only to have the same mistakes being repeated again and again?

One of the commander's primary duties is to get the team to work together toward a common goal. The only way that can happen is if the team actually listens to the commander. The boot is the only means of control that the commander has over his team. It's the only thing he can do when people don't listen. If people begin to fear the commander, and actually do what he says for fear of being booted, then the game will have more teamwork and we will see better quality games.

Now lets think about the downside here. What happens when someone gets booted? They change nicknames and come right back. It puts them out of the game for maybe, 5 minutes. It's a short time out. What's really the drawback here? Yeah people get pissed off but you know what, the commander is even more pissed off because you did something stupid that might cost the team the game.

So in short - you wanna be a good commander? Boot idiots. Boot people who don't listen. Boot people who make mistakes. Develop a reputation for booting anyone who stands between you and victory. Then, people will do what you say, they will work as a team, and you will win more games. And Allegiance will be a better place.

And, we'll have more quality rants.

[Vlymoxyd]

Quack, I've seen probes 10k from anything revelant in a sector that we owned...

Also, there's a difference between underrated players and low skill people... The 1st type doesn't get boots(usually)

[spideycw]

QUOTE (quackdamnyou @ May 23 2008, 10:26 AM) I am one of those comms who doesn't boot lightly and makes friends with pilots other commanders would rather avoid. I love winning games with those under-rated players. Because their respect is a valuable tool.

I boot people I respect and am friends with if I need to personally. One time I booted Larry 3 times in a row one game! Sometimes they know they deserve to be booted!

Heck I almost booted Wiskey the other day - not out of any malice or because I dislike him...but because he $#@!ed up and it was a learning experience!

If people booted more often I think the quality of games would improve personally

[neotoxin]

I once got booted from a team because I was on miner d with a nan and the commander accused me of humping the miner, thus preventing it from mining.

My point here is that some commanders boot because what they think they see instead of what's actually happening. See a noob ram a rock? Probably because they're running away from the fig on their ass. See someone launch a bomber in the wrong sector? Probably because they forgot to transfer stations. See a GS with no turrets firing? Yeah, boot the turrets on that one, seriously they should have been woke.

[takingarms1]

QUOTE (neotoxin @ May 23 2008, 02:18 PM) I once got booted from a team because I was on miner d with a nan and the commander accused me of humping the miner, thus preventing it from mining.

Unlike preventing cons from building, I dont think it's possible to prevent a miner from mining by following too closely, is it? I think it's only possible to keep it from docking. But if that's the case, and you were preventing the miner from docking, the boot is well deserved.

QUOTE (neotoxin)See a noob ram a rock? Probably because they're running away from the fig on their ass. See someone launch a bomber in the wrong sector? Probably because they forgot to transfer stations. See a GS with no turrets firing? Yeah, boot the turrets on that one, seriously they should have been woke.[/quote]

What is your point? All of these are valid reasons for bootitation. (Except the GS example, how can you boot empty turrets?)

Anyway, if your commander is being unreasonable in his boots than don't fly for him. He probably sucks as a commander anyway. If a commander is consistently booting people for no good reason than bring it to an admin's attention via PM and the fellow will be dealt with.

[FreeBeer]

QUOTE (TakingArms @ May 23 2008, 01:00 PM) Boot people who make mistakes.

But TA, I only have two hiders! /mrgreen.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="mrgreen.gif" />

[Evincar]

i agree with the win win view, at least at a personal level (meaning that it might not be good for the game community from the big picture). I try to command booting the less i can, it's not always possible, but i don't forgive heroism (like a voob launching in a bomber when not told so and wasting everyone's time. that means insta boot, don't bluff me)

[quackdamnyou]

QUOTE (Vlymoxyd @ May 23 2008, 10:17 AM) Also, there's a difference between underrated players and low skill people... The 1st type doesn't get boots(usually)

I don't boot for low skill. I boot for low respect.

[rotaryqm]

Rules notwithstanding, I find that booting new(er) players is largely a missed opportunity on the commanders part. What I usually do is try to be as friendly as possible to the new player, tell them that if they need help or have questions then to ask. Provide new players the environment to learn and make mistakes without fear of being booted, and they will do nearly anything you ask of them. Probing, nanning, repairing stations, the easy stuff that most voobs avoid due to, well, whatever the reason they have to be more useless than a noob.

[MrChaos]

you start booting people as a motivational tool each time they do something "wrong" and this becomes the common practice watch the game's attendence dive fast, fast, fast. The reason for the quotation marks around the word is that in almost every game I fly, an arguement breaks out on what strategy is right. So boot happy commander A gives the old shoe leather for doing some action and boot happy commander B gives the rectum rush for NOT doing the exact same action.

Commanders give conflicting, and vague orders in the heat of the moment. Some of them spam endless @#(! so fast you can't follow what they are saying and sometimes if it's even for you. If you follow many of the comms every order then nothing would get done. Im all for flying as a team and listening to the commander but ffs we all got a brain and many of us understand the details of the game well enough to make simple decisions. Just like your decisions in game not every one they will choose is/was the best one.

Booting for not doing exactly what someone says is childish. Many a time the commander didnt see what caused the result, he only sees the result and dare I mention the fact he is just plain wrong on occasion too. Stop thinking because your the leader it gives you the right to treat others like crap, screaming at and booting them for arbitary reasons and whims. People are spamming "need a pick up", "attack my target", the commander is babbling away, your trying to do your role, etc etc and stuff just plain gets missed. Don't make this seem as if it's some noble pursuit to boot people for not flying in the way you think is correct by saying your teaching them something. Bull @#(!. Your simply losing your temper and justifying your actions with weasel words.

Launching out of the wrong base is a bootable offense give me a $#@!ing break. What about losing a miner when your on d? Crashing into a rock, oh please. When you write four lines of tantrum filled, all caps, orders along with where the hell is the team over and over it kind of becomes difficult to follow wtf your saying. Somewhere in that dreck was, Im sure-ish, something like useful information regarding what was happening where and when etc etc etc. Now Im seasoned enough to figure it out, if the damn bomber is still eyed, but if it's no longer eyed then relax, take a deep breath, and give me the god damn information calmly, rationally, and quickly. Trust me when I tell this isnt going to sit well with the great unwashed that make up your pilots if you start booting them on a whim, in addition to depressing common practice of treating many of them like crap.

Hey I know how @#(!ty PU game play can be at times. I also know how often people don't do what they need to do to win. I understand how frustrating it is to command. How often the commander is ignored, and bitched at in game. Some comms put up with it and others don't *shrug* that's poor behavior not poor game play. Booting for mistakes during game play is a bad bad bad idea.

MrChaos

edit: changed to "rationally, and quickly" from "rationally and "