A question about Vista

Grimmwolf_GB · Post by **Grimmwolf_GB** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:51 pm

You obviously have not been following the helpline threads. ImmZ and I received WinVista from a member of this community so we could inspect the reasons of Vista failing to connect to the lobby in multible cases. Sadly we found out that all versions above Home do not have the problem (we received the business version). We were therefor unable to find the source of the problem, yet the problem exists.

The following is correct:
"Vista Home Premium will NOT work with Alleg in most (if not all) cases."
Notice the most. You were lucky. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Post by **aem** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:00 am

PsycHosis wrote:QUOTE (PsycHosis @ Jun 21 2007, 05:46 PM) I agree with what AEM said about vista starting up faster, but if you spend the time on your XP build you can get similar results. btw, thats a pretty nice PC there AEM, which model is it?

Sony Vaio S660b

Its not bad though the technology in it is over 3 years old now. I think I've had it for about a year and a half now. I wanted something portable since I was tired of lugging around my 17" Vaio and with a decent dedicated graphics card. I had no reason to get anything more so got an old model at a cheaper price ($1100). The SZ, which replaced S had already been out for some time.

The Dell m1210 had just came out around the time and I could have gotten dual core and a pretty good GeForce Go 7400 for maybe $1,500 but figured it wasn't really necessary and I have more faith in getting a good reliable laptop from Sony than Dell.

ImmortalZ · Post by **ImmortalZ** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:20 am

Gandalf, run a search for Vista in the Helpline. Find me more than one case (Jaeden) where Vista Home/Premium having worked with Alleg. ONE. FREAKIN. CASE.

I'm sorry, but we read through this every day. Run Google searches every day. All trying to make this piece of crap of an OS that MS put out work.

As of right now, unless you are incredibly lucky, you will not be able to run Alleg on anything less than Vista Business. End of story.

Gandalf2 · Post by **Gandalf2** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:59 am

QUOTE ONE. FREAKIN. CASE.[/quote]

Sure, here's two for you.

http://www.freeallegiance.org/forums/index...showtopic=30912

http://www.freeallegiance.org/forums/index...showtopic=30922

There's probably more cases when it worked, but didn't get posted in the Helpline because it worked so there was no need to.

Now I'm not a support expert, but perhaps this suggests it's the combination of Vista home and something else that's causing the problems?

aarmstrong · Post by **aarmstrong** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:32 pm

I’ve attempted to load Allegiance on the following 32-bit Vista editions:

Home Basic
Business
Enterprise
Ultimate

The installation and issues are the same in all of them. ASGS refuses to autoupdate and ASGSUpdate.exe must be launched manually after the initial installation. Once ASGS is updated, everything runs like a dream. A windows firewall blockage alert pops up, but I’ve selected “continue blocking” and it works fine. Other than that I have had no other issues whatsoever. The specific Vista edition has absolutely no bearing on Allegiance’s operation.

However, I have no antivirus / Internet security suite loaded. And I’m guessing that the “advanced” firewall / application “protection” (read castration) in most of these pre-loaded AV / firewall apps is the true root cause. I know that I’ve run into countless problems with Norton Internet Security in XP and the only solution is to uninstall this POS and get a basic AV program.

Post by **aem** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:19 pm

That is what I figured (that it really didn't have anything to do with which version of Vista). There isn't "luck" when it comes to something working or not and there are definitely those that play Allegiance on Vista Home. The only way you can say "luck" is if you mean they are lucky that their PC manufacturer didn't throw in crap on Vista that is screwing with Allegiance. And that can be fixed.

Edit: can't Pook tell how many people play on which version of Vista? /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":biggrin:" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

ImmortalZ · Post by **ImmortalZ** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:53 pm

Most people are loathe to uninstall their security software (whatwith the recent hoopla over spyware and whatever the heck). So, getting results from this is hard. But thanks for the info aarm. It clears up stuff a lot.

OEMs tend to load major crap into their installs. And they also dump Vista Basic onto their run of the mill systems. Makes sense.

Gandalf2 · Post by **Gandalf2** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:50 pm

My PC was home-built, installed on a clean PC with no anti-virus, just Vista's inbuilt stuff. I think I had the same "problem" aarm referred to about running ASSUpdate.exe manually.

ogorass · Post by **ogorass** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:50 am

PsycHosis wrote:QUOTE (PsycHosis @ Jun 21 2007, 10:32 PM) *not true stuff*

dual core processer
128MB DEDICATED video card
1.5GB+ of ram

I have Intel 915 GML onboard card with 32MB dedicated vid ram, single core Pentium M (lappy built on Centrino tech), 1GB ram and Vista runs better than XP on it, Alleg gets better framerates, stopped freezing and even the sound issues had disappeared (ok, that's wierd, but I'm not complaining).
I have Vista Ultimate, and after initial driver problems, it runs perfently fine. The compatibility modes actually work, it is more stable than XP (after you patch it that is /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />, the default storage folders finally make sense...
On the other hand, we have a test box running Vista Business as main OS and Vista Home Premium on VirtualPC... Those are demos comapred to ultimate, none of the really importaint sutff is there (want IIS? Buy Ultimate, want DHCP sever? Buy Ultimate... and so on), plus the Home verison seems to go bluescreen whenever somethings goes poopy in app that it's being tested on it :/

My opinion: Business Premium (Gold, Platinum, Ueber, Better or whatever they call it) is the lowest Vista version that is usable (barely, but still). Ultimate is the only choice if you want to have a real OS...
QUOTE seriously, go spend the that $200 on better ram or stuff. dont waste it on vista[/quote]

That is sorta true... XP is good enough, years of patching made it a tad slowish, but at least stable (mostly), so I'd wait with upgrade till you will need a new compy, then get one that comes with Ultimate and problem solved! /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

P.S. If you'll be buying a lappy, make sure it has Intel 945 gfx at least.

ImmortalZ · Post by **ImmortalZ** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:39 pm

Or RD690. Those have X1300 level graphics.