Spunkmeyer wrote:QUOTE (Spunkmeyer @ Aug 21 2012, 04:23 PM) Yeah but it's inherent to the whole concept. You will either boost miners at high total money settings, or nerf them at normal total money settings, that's how the game works - regardless of whether you do it in the core with game settings. The difference is when we do it in the core nobody can mess with the balance. So the only remaining question is which way you would go, which set of factions you would favor.
Ignoring the He capacity issue doesn't suddenly make it "not matter much". 5K/load giga is not the same as 9K/load giga and 5K/load GT is not the same as 7K/load GT. Somebody is getting $#@!ed no matter how you handle it.
Right, but within 'normal' (<=high, med size map) settings, it's pretty much one load a rock, period. So in the settings we consider semi balanced, it really doesn't matter too much. Current balance outside of typically used settings is completely irrelevant. We should try to keep the new settings sort of around that balance.
Belts, IC, and dreg don't always get a full rock. Nerfing speed a bit isn't unreasonable. I think changing IC down to .65 is overkill, but I won't split that hair. However, yield affects money/sector. In the situations that matters, you're scraping. Scraping grabs anything you would have left on the rock the first time anyway, so I dislike messing with yield.
There's also TF. 1.5 speed from 2.0 is a straight nerf. I'm not objecting really -- I think it worked well in xc -- but it's separate from the issue of capacity balance.
Bah, too many poorly articulated words. My proposed values for current balance:
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C S Y
Belters 0.8 0.6 1.25
NE 1 0.54 1.25 (0.8+1)/2 * 0.6
Dreg 0.75 0.65 1.25
NE 1 0.57 1.25 (0.75+1)/2 * 0.65
IC 0.75 0.85 1
NE 1 0.75 1 (0.75+1)/2 * 0.85
Omicron 0.85 1.1 1
NE 1 1 1 (0.85+1)/2 * 1.1
TF 0.55 2 1
NE 0.50 2 1 Two loads per normal load.
OH, and maybe TF/belters could use a nerf from there, but I'd use this as the base. I won't try to touch giga. Specmines are always going to be more of an issue with them anyway.