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Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:40 pm**

Hey
As most people know, I've been a 0 for a long time.
I have though goten to 0.5, according to the leaderboard.
Last night I played a least an hour on a game that started as 7 vs 7, and never went below that, it was on planet 2.
I did really good and got in the top 5 players of that game, but when i checked the leaderboard, to see if it was enough to finally get off of
0, my stats had not changed.

According to everything i know, it should have counted, but i didn't.
Can anybody give me some help with this topic? it's rather depressing always being a newbie.

TravisLang

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:56 pm**

I remember there was one game yesterday played on Brawl (just one sector) which was set up with four teams, but two of the teams turned off (i.e. there were four "team buttons" in the lobby, but only two of them were enabled). Is this the one you mean? If so, I think it would not count because technically there were four teams in the game, even if two of them were disabled, and only games with two teams count for stat purposes, I believe.

But otherwise you are right about the conditions for stats counting, so I do not know why else it would not work.

In either case, please do not be too sad about staying a 0. I am sure you will move up from it in time -- but for now, you can enjoy having the protection from boots that comes with being a newbie!

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:09 pm**

Leaderboard will not update immediately.

In game points have nothing to do with your rank. To get a higher rank you need to win games and play more.

You find more infos on the wiki:
http://www.freeallegiance.org/FAW/index.ph..._stats_count.3F
http://www.freeallegiance.org/FAW/index.php/AllegSkill

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:19 pm**

pkk wrote:QUOTE (pkk @ Feb 3 2012, 12:09 PM) Leaderboard will not update immediately.

In game points have nothing to do with your rank. To get a higher rank you need to win games and play more.

You find more infos on the wiki:
http://www.freeallegiance.org/FAW/index.ph..._stats_count.3F
http://www.freeallegiance.org/FAW/index.php/AllegSkill

Ok, I understand that the game stats didn't count because there were four teams, I did play in that game.
I also understand that in game points don't count. Thanks for your help guys! I do have one question though, what does the information does the game use to decide the how much skill you gain/lose?
I have read the wiki links you gave me.

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:36 pm**

TheLangendude wrote:QUOTE (TheLangendude @ Feb 3 2012, 12:19 PM) Ok, I understand that the game stats didn't count because there were four teams, I did play in that game.
I also understand that in game points don't count. Thanks for your help guys! I do have one question though, what does the information does the game use to decide the how much skill you gain/lose?
I have read the wiki links you gave me.

It's in the AllegSkill wiki article, but basically if I actually understand correctly, how much rank you gain or lose seems to be based on how "surprising" the outcome of a game is; that is, a team of newbies beating a team of vets will gain more rank than the team of vets would have gained if they beat the same team of newbies, because the former result is "surprising" to the ranking system, while the latter would be "expected". Also, if I remember right, the longer you play Allegiance, the less your rank will change, as the ranking system will become "more confident" that it has an accurate estimate of your skill level; so while you are a new player, your rank will change comparatively quickly, but once you've been playing for a bit, it will remain more stable.

Please someone correct me if I am mistaken.

Whether you gain or lose rank to begin with depends entirely on whether the team you were playing on won or lost the game, regardless of your own performance. Teamwork!

I think the most important thing about rank is always not to worry too much about rank.

It is true that while your rank remains very low people will be vary wary of, for instance, letting you command or something (but on the other hand, they'll be more understanding with you when you make mistakes and such

), but generally speaking, once you've been around for a bit, I think people will just naturally judge you more by their own estimate of your skills from seeing you play, rather than by your numbers.

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:58 pm**

At a really basic level, you gain points for winning and lose points for losing.

How much you gain or lose depends on the expected outcome of the game based on the team balance as girly indicates. There's some fancy math that goes into the expectations, but essentially you just win games to gain rank.

Posted: **Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:32 pm**

imagine you have a real rank judged by "god" or something who know all, and nobody on earth now it.

Server will give you an approximate rank with a marge, and your real rank will be in [approximate rank - marge, approximate rank + marge]

more you play, more the marge go to 0, and more the approximate rank is close from your real rank

Posted: **Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:42 pm**

TheLangendude wrote:QUOTE (TheLangendude @ Feb 3 2012, 12:19 PM) Ok, I understand that the game stats didn't count because there were four teams, I did play in that game.
I also understand that in game points don't count. Thanks for your help guys! I do have one question though, what does the information does the game use to decide the how much skill you gain/lose?
I have read the wiki links you gave me.

Thanks guys, that really helps!

One more thing though,
what about the games counting and not counting?

Posted: **Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:39 pm**

TheLangendude wrote:QUOTE (TheLangendude @ Feb 6 2012, 09:42 AM) Thanks guys, that really helps!
One more thing though,
what about the games counting and not counting?

If you mean the little text in the upper right-hand corner in the lobby that says "stats will not count", ignore that -- it's a left-over from long, long ago. Nowadays, whether the game counts for stat purposes or not is determined by this stuff (from the same wiki page):

Code: Select all

What are the criteria for stats to count?

    The game only consisted of 2 teams (including deactivated teams).
    The game was more than five minutes long.
    The game did not end in a draw.
    The game had at least 5 players per team for at least half the game.
    You played for at least 30 seconds.

The wiki knows alll...

Posted: **Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:58 pm**

girlyboy wrote:QUOTE (girlyboy @ Feb 6 2012, 05:39 PM) If you mean the little text in the upper right-hand corner in the lobby that says "stats will not count", ignore that -- it's a left-over from long, long ago. Nowadays, whether the game counts for stat purposes or not is determined by this stuff (from the same wiki page):
Code: Select all
What are the criteria for stats to count?

    The game only consisted of 2 teams (including deactivated teams).
    The game was more than five minutes long.
    The game did not end in a draw.
    The game had at least 5 players per team for at least half the game.
    You played for at least 30 seconds.
The wiki knows alll...

What? 30 seconds? I thought it was five minutes.

What about the games on Mach which do not get posted to the leaderboard? Is something being done about that?

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