Move Speed GA to starbase

Development area for FreeAllegiance's Community Core.
Gandalf2
Posts: 3943
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:00 am
Location: W. Midlands, UK

Post by Gandalf2 »

Topic says it all really. Thought of this after reading the latest SY thread but I'm not sure this belongs there. Just GA speed 1 though - either trash GA speed 2 or leave it in the upper echelons of the shipyard tree.

Is there any reason why speed is under shipyard? Shipyard has a lot going for it at the moment. Making upgrading your garrison slightly more attractive could lead to it happening more often, which I see as a good thing. Encouraging more adv scouts, gunships etc. would add some more variety in the game, and not over-powered variety either. This could lead to strategies like dreg enh cons with even more speed (!!!), people getting fast gunships to defend miners early on etc.

I'm sure my love of heavy scouts is influencing me slightly though... :roll: but I thought it was an idea worthy of discussion at least.
Image
Image
spideycw - 'This is because Grav is a huge whining bitch. But we all knew that already' Dec 19 2010, 07:36 PM
pkk
Posts: 5419
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2003 7:00 am
Location: Germany, Munich

Post by pkk »

Gandalf2 wrote:QUOTE (Gandalf2 @ Feb 12 2010, 01:57 PM) Making upgrading your garrison slightly more attractive could lead to it happening more often, which I see as a good thing.
Another BIOS boost?
The Escapist (Justin Emerson) @ Dec 21 2010, 02:33 PM:
The history of open-source Allegiance is paved with the bodies of dead code branches, forum flame wars, and personal vendettas. But a community remains because people still love the game.
Solamnus
Posts: 1391
Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:26 pm
Location: istanbul
Contact:

Post by Solamnus »

pkk wrote:QUOTE (pkk @ Feb 12 2010, 03:13 PM) Another BIOS boost?
yeah bios will profit the most. but it would be nice to have this GA in other factions...
ImageImageImage <Gandalf> RT are the gentlemen of this gameImage
sambasti
Posts: 1054
Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:55 am
Location: the SF hiding in your home

Post by sambasti »

I guess the problem here is that any boost to Garr meant to encourage other factions will invariable result in a 2x boost for bios...

However, other factions garr do need a boost, so we could do this for all factions except bios?
_SRM_Nuke
Posts: 1189
Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2004 7:00 am
Location: في واشنطن لالآن

Post by _SRM_Nuke »

Why does starbase need a boost? Starbase is extremely common in pickup games of late because of tp2. I really don't see why starbase needs any more encouragement.

And don't forget, if you put speed GA in starbase you are basically giving fig bombers a boost because every comm who goes tp2/fig bbrs will surely stop to buy the GA. The last thing we need are fig bombers that go 10-20% faster.
Last edited by _SRM_Nuke on Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
MrChaos to Sharpfish wrote:QUOTE (MrChaos to Sharpfish @ Oct 2 2011, 08:55 AM) Damn there went my hope you died in a couch fire.
Youngmoose
Posts: 440
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:46 pm
Location: Backwoods of Idaho.

Post by Youngmoose »

If we are speaking of tech paths that need a boost, then why not give it to Tac? SF's and SB's would hardly become uberkillers if 10% faster.
Join the Dark Side. We have beer. And chocolate milk.
Image
Image Image
Jimen
Posts: 1146
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:39 pm
Location: Boston-ish

Post by Jimen »

_SRM_Nuke wrote:QUOTE (_SRM_Nuke @ Feb 12 2010, 10:21 AM) Why does starbase need a boost? Starbase is extremely common in pickup games of late because of tp2. I really don't see why starbase needs any more encouragement.

And don't forget, if you put speed GA in starbase you are basically giving fig bombers a boost because every comm who goes tp2/fig bbrs will surely stop to buy the GA. The last thing we need are fig bombers that go 10-20% faster.
The issue with that, though, is that they don't actually buy much starbase tech, and what little they do buy is bought very late in the game if they still have cash left after buying tp2 figbees. Usually people don't even start the garr upgrade until they've got adv figs with galvs, and by that point in the game there's no need for any garr tech except bbrs (as a prereq for figbees/SBs), tp1 (as a prereq for tp2), nan2 (if for some reason you haven't picked it up by then), and adv/hvy scouts (safe and useful thing to blow money on when you've got nothing important left to buy).

Regarding Speed GAs, it's a tough thing to place because Sup and Exp don't need more good GAs, and giving it to Garr or Starbase would respectively make it too easy to get or be an unnecessary Bios buff. Giving it to Tac looks like a reasonable idea at first glance, though I haven't thought about it deeply.
Image
Youngmoose
Posts: 440
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:46 pm
Location: Backwoods of Idaho.

Post by Youngmoose »

Jimen wrote:QUOTE (Jimen @ Feb 12 2010, 09:43 AM) ......looks like a reasonable idea at first glance, though I haven't thought about it deeply.

The story of my life. Mostly gets me into trouble.
Join the Dark Side. We have beer. And chocolate milk.
Image
Image Image
Broodwich
Posts: 5662
Joined: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:48 am
Location: Raincity

Post by Broodwich »

besides what nuke already said why do you think speed ga in sy (that has the slowest ships and benefits the least from its purchase) needs to be moved in the first place
QUOTE Drizzo: ha ha good old chap
Drizzo: i am a brit
Drizzo: tut tut
Drizzo: wankarrrrrr
Drizzo: i only have sex whilst in the missionary position[/quote] Fas est et ab hoste doceri - Ovid
Clay_Pigeon
Posts: 3211
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:00 am
Location: my pod

Post by Clay_Pigeon »

Base speed calculations for various ships. I left out ints because I didn't want to be arsed to figure out boosting speed.

http://tinyurl.com/yhvvtrh

The problem isn't so much with Speed 1 as Speed 2. Move speed GA to tac, and speed 2 becomes certain. Suddenly sbs break 100mps. Faster sbs mean less time spent in transit, setup, and less time for something to go wrong during the run. Miners also start moving really fast. Does anyone want to chase down a basic dreg miner going 150mps?
Last edited by Clay_Pigeon on Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Image
"Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me." -2 Cor 12:9
"Never know how long I've waited, anticipated your smile pressed against mine." -Running
Post Reply