Vanguards
Ok I love vanguards /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":iluv:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" /> but its just not fair if there is nothing else to beat it, am I wrong? There is no weapon against it I mean if you read the Phoenix Battle Manuals you would learn that Vangards are 25% resistant to disruptors I mean holy crap. Tell me if there is anything that could be on th dame level. When I commed against it the only thing that I had was to get corvettes with turrets to shoot them down and another game I had a TF stealth agaisnt which is pretty good.

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A good heavy int pilot can kill a vanguard, but that is easily debateable if the vanguard has laser blossoms and laser cannons.sparkxyx wrote:QUOTE (sparkxyx @ Feb 18 2007, 11:51 AM) Ok I love vanguards /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":iluv:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" /> but its just not fair if there is nothing else to beat it, am I wrong? There is no weapon against it I mean if you read the Phoenix Battle Manuals you would learn that Vangards are 25% resistant to disruptors I mean holy crap. Tell me if there is anything that could be on th dame level. When I commed against it the only thing that I had was to get corvettes with turrets to shoot them down and another game I had a TF stealth agaisnt which is pretty good.
At that point it is the dominant non-capital ship in the game for a single pilot. It matches pilot for pilot any other ship easily as well.
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Which can be said about most cheese ^.^!Paradigm2 wrote:QUOTE (Paradigm2 @ Feb 18 2007, 01:49 PM) A good way to beat vanguards is to kill the Nix miners early and then not worry about it.
IG: Liquid_Mamba / FedmanUnknown wrote:[Just want] to play some games before Alleg dies for good.
I don't want that time to be a @#(!-storm of hate and schadenfreude.
For Van's to be useful, you need about 8 of them to rush a base and camp it, then send the bomber in. For the other team's bombers to work, you need about 8 nans to go with the bomber. Nix doesn't have nans, so...
Vans rock, but the lack of nan for Nix makes them less cheesy. I'll admit they basically own everything, but a good team can defend against a Nix bomber strike by a) staying together in large groups and b) ignoring the Van's and shooting the bomber. It'd be tough, but no tougher than stopping an Adv Sup 8-nanned bomber run or something.
Vans rock, but the lack of nan for Nix makes them less cheesy. I'll admit they basically own everything, but a good team can defend against a Nix bomber strike by a) staying together in large groups and b) ignoring the Van's and shooting the bomber. It'd be tough, but no tougher than stopping an Adv Sup 8-nanned bomber run or something.

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You are forgetting that Nix bombers are the ultimate TP2 weapon. Since noone uses nans on tp2 drops the whole non-nan issue is non-existant.Bacon_00 wrote:QUOTE (Bacon_00 @ Feb 19 2007, 01:10 AM) Vans rock, but the lack of nan for Nix makes them less cheesy. I'll admit they basically own everything, but a good team can defend against a Nix bomber strike by a) staying together in large groups and b) ignoring the Van's and shooting the bomber. It'd be tough, but no tougher than stopping an Adv Sup 8-nanned bomber run or something.
For the newbs always yelling": "kill the miners and they don't get tech" , if we go that way we should only debate gar tech balance because noone can get a tech base if you kill their miners and bomb rush them /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
- SB are ueber : bah just kill their miners
- Dreg exp is da bomb : just kill their miners
- GT econ is insane : not without miners
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Last time I commanded with nix, I did not bother with getting bombers or special tech, I found it quite nice to fight the enemy with the nice adv figs. In the end we won the game with med ass 2 and normal bombers. I need to command them more often. I want to test them as it was suggested in the DN forum: Treat them as normal faction, command them as you would command any other faction. Show that Nix does not need all the perks they have.
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In other news, yes Vans are incredibly cheesey. I would say a voob with a Van would outclass a good pilot in a Hvy Int.
It takes a great pilot to kill a Van in a fight. If the Van pilot is a whore, say no more. Lemme tell you your arse will be sore by the time they're finished with you.
Check my sweet rhymes. Shea. /mrgreen.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="mrgreen.gif" /> But seriously they are powerhouses, let no one tell you they're in any way easily defeated in a fight. Because truthfully, they're not.
It takes a great pilot to kill a Van in a fight. If the Van pilot is a whore, say no more. Lemme tell you your arse will be sore by the time they're finished with you.
Check my sweet rhymes. Shea. /mrgreen.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="mrgreen.gif" /> But seriously they are powerhouses, let no one tell you they're in any way easily defeated in a fight. Because truthfully, they're not.
The problem with nix is that they ARE unbalanced (even more so in small games)Grimmwolf_GB wrote:QUOTE (Grimmwolf_GB @ Feb 19 2007, 01:14 PM) Last time I commanded with nix, I did not bother with getting bombers or special tech, I found it quite nice to fight the enemy with the nice adv figs. In the end we won the game with med ass 2 and normal bombers. I need to command them more often. I want to test them as it was suggested in the DN forum: Treat them as normal faction, command them as you would command any other faction. Show that Nix does not need all the perks they have.
Going nix bombers in a small game is like rushing Belts SY.
Even with out vans 'nix are super uber.
p.s. bomb rushing me as nix on grid displeases spidey greatly. dont be like abom and do it else you will be destroyed as she was
I'm sorry I don't remember any of it. For you the day spideycw graced your squad with utter destruction was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Sunday
Idanmel wrote:QUOTE (Idanmel @ Mar 19 2012, 05:54 AM) I am ashamed for all the drama I caused, I have much to learn on how to behave when things don't go my way.
My apologies.