Two Party System

Post by **Raveen** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:12 pm

NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Sep 7 2012, 08:07 AM) the problem with that, raveen, is that most of the information people receive about politicians/elections is through corporate-controlled media

so if you have a candidate with a message they don't like (ie: how they completely ignored ron paul, didn't cover him at all and treated him like a complete joke) it doesn't matter who's paying for the ads

In fairness, Ron Paul is a joke, but that's by the by.

The solution from a British point of view is to have a state sponsored media outlet. A US BBC if you like (no PBS doesn't count, I mean do it properly). The BBC seems to keep the commercial channels honest in the UK, because they are impartial there is a resistance to the tv being party political.

Sky news is a little crass for my taste but it's nothing like Fox news despite being owned by the same bloke.

But of course, to do the BBC properly you'd have to pay for it so that's even more tax dollars going on fixing the system rather than improving people's lives.

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:32 pm

NightRychune · Post by **NightRychune** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:35 pm

Raveen wrote:QUOTE (Raveen @ Sep 7 2012, 06:12 AM) In fairness, Ron Paul is a joke, but that's by the by.

The solution from a British point of view is to have a state sponsored media outlet. A US BBC if you like (no PBS doesn't count, I mean do it properly). The BBC seems to keep the commercial channels honest in the UK, because they are impartial there is a resistance to the tv being party political.

Sky news is a little crass for my taste but it's nothing like Fox news despite being owned by the same bloke.

But of course, to do the BBC properly you'd have to pay for it so that's even more tax dollars going on fixing the system rather than improving people's lives.

yeah, and when idiots are calling for NPR and PBS to have their budgets slashed (they don't get very much money compared to other things the US government spends money on) which would effectively shut them down, welp

journalism and news media in the US used to be about the truth - it used to be you would have networks like CBS that made most of their money off of their TV shows like sitcoms and dramas and whatever the $#@! else and then left their news programs alone to just report the truth and be good journalists, but someone somewhere went "@#(! we can turn these news programs into entertainment shows too and make even more money $#@! yeah"

and that's what happened

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:34 pm

NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Sep 7 2012, 08:35 PM) yeah, and when idiots are calling for NPR and PBS to have their budgets slashed (they don't get very much money compared to other things the US government spends money on) which would effectively shut them down, welp

journalism and news media in the US used to be about the truth - it used to be you would have networks like CBS that made most of their money off of their TV shows like sitcoms and dramas and whatever the $#@! else and then left their news programs alone to just report the truth and be good journalists, but someone somewhere went "@#(! we can turn these news programs into entertainment shows too and make even more money $#@! yeah"

and that's what happened

That's how it looks like to me, I remember watching some Fox News and schedule it showed was pretty much segments like Bill O Reilly factor and other random crap and I was wondering, where is the News.

The only thing I like in US news is police car chases, if there was a channel showing constant live police chases I would be hooked on that.

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:01 am

NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Sep 7 2012, 09:35 AM) journalism and news media in the US used to be about the truth - it used to be you would have networks like CBS that made most of their money off of their TV shows like sitcoms and dramas and whatever the $#@! else and then left their news programs alone to just report the truth and be good journalists, but someone somewhere went "@#(! we can turn these news programs into entertainment shows too and make even more money $#@! yeah"

and that's what happened

Oh yes, I mean, journalism and media never provoked anything in the past... OH WAIT.

THEY STARTED THE DAMN SPANISH AMERICAN WAR.

The PROBLEM, is the 24/7 news channels, when you have to come up with crap to fill the time (and yet still be news) you provide analysis. That is where the spin comes from.

germloucks · Post by **germloucks** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:45 pm

NightRychune · Post by **NightRychune** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:13 pm

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Sep 7 2012, 06:01 PM) THEY STARTED THE DAMN SPANISH AMERICAN WAR.

no they didn't

american imperialism as ushered in by mckinley did

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:56 pm

NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Sep 9 2012, 01:13 PM) no they didn't

american imperialism as ushered in by mckinley did

It contributed to it: http://www.pbs.org/crucible/frames/_journalism.html

NightRychune · Post by **NightRychune** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:12 pm

and the media also heavily influenced the progressive era (woman's suffrage, reduction of corruption is US government/society and prohibition although that one was $#@!ing useless)

and the same exact thing i just described (we can make more money if the news is entertaining than if it's factual) led to yellow journalism to begin with, so