Booting

[Alien51]

QUOTE (Jimen @ Mar 9 2011, 12:18 AM) No mistake has been made. There was absolutely no problem with the boot. There's no need for anybody to take responsibility here, except you and Alien51 for turning FAO into your gothy $#@!ing livejournal about how the boys don't like you and you got picked last in gym class and you got booted from a team in an online game and so on and so on.

It's my fault cause I wouldn't let people slander my name?

This was never really about booting for me, just the hostility newer players run into. The whole argument in this thread started because of that hostility.
I was having fun just hearing everyone's booting stories. An exercise which would actually help newer players realize that booting is a natural part of this game. But now angry people have been spawned; and why? Because of bullies.

[SharpFish]

QUOTE (SumVeritas @ Mar 8 2011, 09:26 PM) Did i ever said all the things you have typed down¿?
all i had said is that the community does have enforcement rules, policies and a group of ppl willing to control, see, from your posts and aliens anyone can imply that we dont have such, i have posted how they work.

My post did NOT attribute everything to you. But there are two points to be made about enforcement; you wouldn;t need rules against booting newbies if it hadn;t happened in the past, and as for the general attitude, the "enforcement" has clearly basically colluded with the general attitude of elitism, venom, and insult.

QUOTE Have you ever tried going throug the chanels that are setup in this community whenever you had felt being abuse¿?[/quote]

Actually yes; I did post a thread about unfair boots myself. You know what happened? I got a load of abuse. Just like this thread, just like every thread in which the matter is raised.

QUOTE So you have already made your mind on how the whole community is decaying, ok w/e, i dont share such point of view, then i may ask another question¿? Have you ever see me abusing someone else in game or in forums¿? if you have, why didnt you reported it to BV so he can take the correspondent meassures¿?[/quote]

I don't know if it's "decaying", maybe it was always this @#(!ty. No, I don't hold you persaonlly responsible. But equally, if BV was going to do anything about he would, and should, have done so long ago, so I can only conclude that he doesn't give a @#(!.


QUOTE I wasnt saying that if you get booted is your fault, its not my place to say such thing cause i rly dont know if i have ever see you in game, i'm saying that we have enforcement and noob abuse is not tolerated, yet you make it sound like we dont have it and we tolerate W/E thing happens on game. This is not true dont make it sound like it is, be helpfull.[/quote]

I never said anything about noob abuse. I only mentioned that noobs are exposed to the generally poisonous atmosphere.

The other day a player with the edifying name of "wank" gave his team the equally sophisticated name of "sand vagina". Don't ask me. One of the newbs expressed astonishment, but nobody noticed. It's as if alleg is making a deliberate effort to live up to the example set by Beavis & Butthead.

QUOTE Against my nature and best judgement i tried to engage a civil discusion with you (yes now i know better, thanks), providing info on how the community works and how to confront this issues, and what i read from you is just a lot of insults, angsts and generalisations, and since you're responding to me, i must assume they are intentionally directed at me, so i'm a dickhead and a pathetic dick waver, well thank you very much.
If you want to help, then please help BV and the @allegs in there work and dont add more drama to this.[/quote]

While you seemed determined not to believe it, I responded in kind. If I had been accusing you specifically you would not have needed to assume anything, it would have been abundantly clear.

[notjarvis]

QUOTE (SharpFish @ Mar 9 2011, 08:15 AM) But there are two points to be made about enforcement; you wouldn;t need rules against booting newbies if it hadn;t happened in the past, and as for the general attitude, the "enforcement" has clearly basically colluded with the general attitude of elitism, venom, and insult.

Sorry that is absolute rot.
Of course there are rules against newbie boots, as we are a small community and want it to grow. Every community willl have someone who will be a dick to new players, and alleg. has had some players who are/ have been.

I have no idea whether other gaming communities have similar rules, but they make perfect sense to me with a game as difficult to master as alleg.
What evidence do you have that enforcement has colluded? Seriously? or do you just like slinging insults?

QUOTE Actually yes; I did post a thread about unfair boots myself. You know what happened? I got a load of abuse. Just like this thread, just like every thread in which the matter is raised.[/quote]
No - you were asked whether you went through the proper channels. Posting a thread on the forums is not through the proper channels.
Newsflash #1 - not everyone on the internet is nice, nor is there any requirement for them to be nice. Especially not on forums provided for free and moderated by volunteers.

The proper channels - if you see boots/behaviour that break the rules in-game, or you want to flag, is to get in touch with BV.

If there's something you have a problem with in the forums - hit that damn report button? you see it? To the left.

QUOTE I don't know if it's "decaying", maybe it was always this @#(!ty. No, I don't hold you persaonlly responsible. But equally, if BV was going to do anything about he would, and should, have done so long ago, so I can only conclude that he doesn't give a @#(!.[/quote]
Newsflash #2 : BV is not omniscient, and not always in game. He will not see every incident. He very kindly gives up his free time to manage issues, but can only do stuff if people tell him. Again - if you see an issue in game that breaches the rules - feel free to get in touch with BV.

QUOTE I never said anything about noob abuse. I only mentioned that noobs are exposed to the generally poisonous atmosphere.

The other day a player with the edifying name of "wank" gave his team the equally sophisticated name of "sand vagina". Don't ask me. One of the newbs expressed astonishment, but nobody noticed. It's as if alleg is making a deliberate effort to live up to the example set by Beavis & Butthead.[/quote]
If you have a problem with something in game - get in touch with BV. Be sure to provide server/time/details to make his job easier.

Penultimate Point : You have gone about this the wrong way IMO. You are the equivalent of the person in the workplace who, feeling they have been wronged, start a complaining constantly around the water cooler, and at lunchtime about those who wronged you around the office - without actually ever making it official. You then wonder why no-one takes your side in other things, or wants to sit by you at lunch - it's cos no-one likes a whiner. Frankly - if you kept quiet and went about this the clearly signposted correct way, you would have iritated far fewer people, and may actually have had much better results for your efforts.

Final Point : Many on-line games have dicks in them, seriously. The difference in Alleg. is that sometimes the dicks will be the commander and have the opportunity to boot people in their team. Now the boot is an essential tool for a commander, if only to remove AFK's or people acting directly against the team, and the commander is given a lot of leeway to use this, as it's a non permanent slap on the hands for players.
Thing is - you can always avoid commanders you don't like flying for, or drop to NOAT and wait for a spot on the other team. You aren't forced to fly for him, any-more than he is forced to keep you on his team.

Seriously - I've nothing against you sharp but you are going about things entirely the wrong way if you want to change things, and are being rather unkind to people who work hard for the community for free.

[HSharp]

QUOTE (TakingArms @ Mar 9 2011, 04:36 AM) In the past 2 days I think I have played upwards of 10 hours of allegiance. Last time I played before that was 2 years ago. I as $#@!ing up all over the place at first, even had the comm call me out a few times. Not once did I get booted.

Tbh I should have booted you in that game we were Rix but I'm just too much of a carebear, but srsly ripping a reg scout to an SR on miner O, that be pretty vooby.

[Raveen]

My last boot was for trying to mutiny larask in a 3v3 when he decided to throw the game by ordering his miners into the enemy home. That was a good 4+ years ago and I've only been booted in total 3 or 4 times, that I recall at least.

[Alien51]

Well sharpfish you can't censor everything, people need their freedom. notjarvis is right.

Anyone who read the whole thread can see what I was mad at.
And most of Icky's anger I believe came from a different discussion in the CC forums. Still applies to what I was saying though.

Thanks Raveen for sharing another boot story. Think we can get back to this people? If you want to say more on the argument please make a thread in Rants.

[Alien51]

I'll elaborate on what happened with these boots.

1. Attacking an Enemy Miner
2. Trying to nan my teams Miner
3. Asking, "Someone wake me up!"
4. For being in BS.

1. Attacking an Enemy Miner
During very early game, probably at the 4m mark me and a few others were scouting around when we found their miners. We quickly went to miner o and killed 2 I think, but during this time 2 of our miners died as well as a construtor; there was no home rip or carrier either. I got booted for not saving them.

2. Trying to nan my teams Miner
I launched to go do some probing when I noticed our miners were in trouble. I typing in "miner d!", then proceeded to dock, reconfigure ship, transfer base, and launch to save the miner. The cmd had ordered the carrier to the miner, and the miner to our home sector. I quickly ripped in to help, we were belters so the carrier was rather large; just my luck I ripped in on the opposite side of the miner. While making my way around to the miner it enters the aleph. Before I can make it to the aleph the carrier enters too. So when I entered the big fat carrier was inbetween me and the miner again! The miner dies and as the sole person trying to help it I get booted. Btw, the cmder was in the base the entire time. I know cause I checked f6 to see if anyone could miner d, before calling for it.

3. Asking, "Someone wake me up!"
During early game I was out on some miner o, after killing the miner with some help I returned to base. I discover people are talking about resigning. Apparently we had lost 2 miners! Surprised I missed that bit of knowledge I typed in , "Someone wake me up!", after which LANS boots me. I think it was more of a resign boot, "haha that felt good" type thing. Still annoyed me though, I'm fairly certain if I hadn't of said that he wouldn't have booted me. We didn't have too bad a game.

4. For being in BS.
I joined a team with Ryujin cmding. After being in game for about 3 minutes or so I was booted. I don't even know why, I know it wasn't a gameplay thing. And I don't believe I've ever been booted in-game about an attitude thing. But I did see him trash talking about BS before that game. So I suppose that was why.

[guitarism]

QUOTE (Alien51 @ Mar 9 2011, 08:41 AM) 2. Trying to nan my teams Miner
I launched to go do some probing when I noticed our miners were in trouble. I typing in "miner d!", then proceeded to dock, reconfigure ship, transfer base, and launch to save the miner. The cmd had ordered the carrier to the miner, and the miner to our home sector. I quickly ripped in to help, we were belters so the carrier was rather large; just my luck I ripped in on the opposite side of the miner. While making my way around to the miner it enters the aleph. Before I can make it to the aleph the carrier enters too. So when I entered the big fat carrier was inbetween me and the miner again! The miner dies and as the sole person trying to help it I get booted. Btw, the cmder was in the base the entire time. I know cause I checked f6 to see if anyone could miner d, before calling for it.

This wasn't "trying" to do something, this was failing at it.


QUOTE 4. For being in BS.
I joined a team with Ryujin cmding. After being in game for about 3 minutes or so I was booted. I don't even know why, I know it wasn't a gameplay thing. And I don't believe I've ever been booted in-game about an attitude thing. But I did see him trash talking about BS before that game. So I suppose that was why.[/quote]

You assume it was this reason. If you "assume" something it makes an ass out of you and me. And to be honest, with the way you play, I'm sure you did something stupid in that time.

Seriously. You do a serious amount of whining here. If you have problems with the boots you receive then report them. You come on here and complain, it just makes me want to kick you more! Why? Because it shows to me that you haven't LEARNED anything from these boots. After every boot I've ever gotten I asked myself WHY I was booted, and tried to not make the same mistake twice. Did you ever consider asking WHY you were booted instead of just crying about it? As a commander, I more then willing to take time and tell you IF YOU ASK.

But since you seem to want to spend your time complaining instead of doing things to fix it, your kind of a lost cause.

As was pointed out - there are "not nice" people on the internet. I just happen to be one of those "not nice" people in the real world as well

[Alien51]

Someone didn't read the thread or is trolling...

[guitarism]

No, you just happen to be an idiot. Why your squad lets you advise cadets I don't know. Your doing more harm to them than good.