Anyone moved out of US?

raumvogel · Post by **raumvogel** » Thu May 24, 2018 11:11 pm

Grimmwolf_GB wrote:QUOTE (Grimmwolf_GB @ May 24 2018, 04:22 PM) You mean france that imports power from the coal powered german plants in winter because of the lack of cooling water for their reactors?
While there have been "only" a few incidents with nuclear power, I don't see a way around the waste problem. So far no country has found a storage place safe enough for millennia. Let alone the question on how to communicate the dangers within to people that far into the future. We have a responsibility not to use this power and leave that kind of problematic waste, just because it is safest for us right now and we are too lazy and comfortable to search for a better way.

We have currently about 30% of renewable sources in our mix in Germany, but this seemed impossible not too long ago and we have not given up anything.

Funny,over here in Amirikka,we are led to believe Germany is,like running on 87% renewable.

LANS · Post by **LANS** » Fri May 25, 2018 1:59 am

Grimmwolf_GB wrote:QUOTE (Grimmwolf_GB @ May 24 2018, 04:22 PM) I don't see a way around the waste problem. So far no country has found a storage place safe enough for millennia. Let alone the question on how to communicate the dangers within to people that far into the future. We have a responsibility not to use this power and leave that kind of problematic waste, just because it is safest for us right now and we are too lazy and comfortable to search for a better way.

Bury it. Bury it somewhere tectonically stable, encased in a bunch of concrete, and mark it well. Oh right, like Yucca Mountain (for the US at least), which was canceled for "political, not technical or safety reasons", or at least so says the Government Acountability Office.

The fear about nuclear waste storage disasters is predicated on a huge chain of very unlikely worst-case scenarios. I'm against trading a current fix to a major problem (coal power) for a future that has a super tiny chance of happening. Its assuming that future humans lose knowledge of where the site is marked, despite having monuments built meant for long-term survival. It assumes future humans lose knowledge of radiation science, yet somehow at the same time retain the ability to dig deep into concrete in the desert, and have a reason for doing so. It assumes that in this bad scenario, the future humans also fail to notice that people at the site are getting sick and associate it with work at the site, or at least fail to investigate why.

Given our history up to this point, I find all of this exceedingly unlikely. Furthermore, given the associated environmental damage from coal, I'd be very worried about humans ever existing in the future if we don't quit coal. It would have been balancing a future "maybe" against a very strong right now

At least, that would have been my opinion 30 years ago, if I was alive and old enough to think about it at the time. It would still be better to move to nuclear from fire-based energy as fast as we can, but its probably too little, too late.

At this point, finally, yes, we're starting to maybe sorta a little bit get close to the point where wind and solar and such can take over. Maybe. Battery scaling and power storage is still a mostly unsolved problem.

Post by **zombywoof** » Fri May 25, 2018 3:58 am

Grimmwolf_GB wrote:QUOTE (Grimmwolf_GB @ May 24 2018, 01:22 PM) You mean france that imports power from the coal powered german plants in winter because of the lack of cooling water for their reactors?
While there have been "only" a few incidents with nuclear power, I don't see a way around the waste problem. So far no country has found a storage place safe enough for millennia. Let alone the question on how to communicate the dangers within to people that far into the future. We have a responsibility not to use this power and leave that kind of problematic waste, just because it is safest for us right now and we are too lazy and comfortable to search for a better way.

Refine the waste into more fuel. Many of the remaining compounds, if purified, could also be used in many engineering purposes... some of which are medical. From there you can take the comparatively small amount of waste produced (compared to the waste you THINK it produces) and subduct it. Or launch it into space via railgun aimed at the sun. Hell, you'll have the energy and in sufficient quantities if you go nuclear.

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingre ... 064/cesium

You see radioactive waste. *I* see a useful byproduct that, with a little imagination, can help our world keep running.

qqmwoarplox · Post by **qqmwoarplox** » Fri May 25, 2018 6:55 pm

What's wrong with Solar energy tho?

Post by **zombywoof** » Fri May 25, 2018 7:46 pm

About half of the time there's a yottaton ball of iron between you and the sun. You might have missed it, it's ok, try looking down.

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Fri May 25, 2018 8:15 pm

Other Counties/cities are now offering head credits to businesses in response to Seattle's head tax. lol

That socialist indian nutjob on seattle city council is going to be personally responsible for stunting if not destroying the most booming economy in the country

I'm just here to watch everything burn

SumVeritas · Post by **SumVeritas** » Fri May 25, 2018 8:33 pm

They need more lead indicators!!

Post by **Dome** » Sat May 26, 2018 1:33 am

SumVeritas wrote:QUOTE (SumVeritas @ May 25 2018, 01:33 PM) They need more lead indicators!!

lol

Terran · Post by **Terran** » Sat May 26, 2018 3:01 am

lets build humongous lithium-ion battery farms to make our wind and solar power a realistic power generation solution via storage on a massive scale.

this way we can solve the nuclear waste problem by burying thousands of tons of lithium batteries into the ground because they are very safe for the environment.

Wasp · Post by **Wasp** » Sat May 26, 2018 1:18 pm

We don't need more energy, we need less demand for it.