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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:32 am
by MagisterXF94
Terran wrote:QUOTE (Terran @ Mar 22 2018, 12:16 AM) ah you mean one dev unilaterally decided to change an important part of the game and it turned out to be a complete $#@!up? you don't say...
It’s the same dev that got us on Steam.
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:24 am
by Radulfr
cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Mar 21 2018, 11:53 AM) No, the reason we're here arguing about it is that the same people who brought you running miners and combat scout loadouts also tried to "fix" the ranking system[*]
Wrong. Two of those things were done by me alone. The other was done when I wasn't even active in Alleg.
What probably really happened back then is:
The move to Steam broke the Allegskill, because that is all implemented in the old server tool in SQL. So BT had a choice to re-implement it which would have been hard, or let people who never liked Allegskill make their own point based system, which is a lot easier to do.
As with many other choices, he chose to rush the Steam release. Once again it comes to bite his/our ass.
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:06 pm
by Wasp
Radulfr wrote:QUOTE (Radulfr @ Mar 22 2018, 04:24 AM) Once again it comes to bite his/our ass.
I'm quite certain that is not the attitude BT would exhibit... if you're speaking on his behalf, that is.
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:07 pm
by Hellsyng
"Rushing" the release of Allegiance? At what point would you have considered it ready? R43?
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:18 pm
by vogue
it’s not the p32s hiders that break allegskill, it’s the ones you never even noticed
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:20 pm
by zombywoof
If it was the case that AllegSkill could only have been implemented on STEAM with a huge amount of man-hours then I wish BT would have told us that. There's a world of difference between implementing the point system on a whim and implementing the point system because BT didn't have the manpower/expertise to implement AS.
If it's the latter, I'll stop whining about it. If it's the former, I'm going to continue making a stink.
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:07 pm
by Radulfr
Wasp wrote:QUOTE (Wasp @ Mar 22 2018, 08:06 AM) I'm quite certain that is not the attitude BT would exhibit... if you're speaking on his behalf, that is.
I'm criticizing him, so nope, not speaking on his behalf.
I actually meant us as players with the "our". Because I'm convinced we could have had many more high quality games with Allegskill and therefore kept more players, and so improved game quality even more, and thus ... ok, I'll stop
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:14 pm
by Mastametz
TheAlaskan wrote:QUOTE (TheAlaskan @ Mar 21 2018, 08:04 PM) Where players topped out in AllegSkill was more or less a decent indicator of their team value. If you were a commander and knew all the individual players and their abilities, then that gave you a leg up on understanding your team or actually picking your team if given the opportunity.
Those who ended up in the 6-9 range were poor-to-potentially useful players. Some trainable, some not. I don't feel like pointing to anyone specifically.
Those who never made it past the 10-13 range were more or less decent voobs. Could do utility, but ultimately needed a tech advantage to do most of their whoring.
Players in the 14-16 range were usually good players, but not the Put The Team On My Back kind of guys. You could count on them to be a positive part of your team effort as a commander.
17+ were all upper echelon players... I'd say maybe 1 in 10 got to that level simply by playing a ton, and we all know who they were. I'm not sure TenF could have unintentionally abuse the AllegSkill ranking system as bad as it seems he is unintentionally abusing this one.
Perfect or not, players ended up falling into those buckets and the Majority Of The Community seemed fine with it.
While there was a separate commander rank, it's not like anyone ever saw that In The Game. It was a vanity for the people who actually had time to jerk off to the stats table.
This.
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:46 pm
by raumvogel
I'm a 19
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:26 pm
by zombywoof
And in the AllegSkill era you were about an 8.