Free Allegiance Forums

This will get addressed but it will take some time, I don't see us doing an immediate release or roll back on this issue.

In response to issues about were game play changes 'approved'. This really only effects CortUI users, that UI effects game play, was that approved? Don't get me wrong, I love CortUI. My point is not everything gets approved and an advantage you had over some players is no longer there. This can be discussed in circles for pages but would be a waste of everyones time.

This effects 2 seconds of game play (yes I know for every launch and that adds up but still). Some people like the change some don't. Suck it up until we add the ability to toggle VJ during the animation (which will be the LIKELY change, I'm not promising this till the code change is made however.)

Hey way to go me for not reading doggys post, ima go pretend I work for a bit.

_SRM_TheBored wrote:QUOTE (_SRM_TheBored @ Aug 3 2006, 07:02 PM) Without it, we have to fly straight of of base and get pwned by a camp or miss the HTT run.

wrong

if you mod your ui file to include the minimap during launch animation (or use cort ui) you can tell AP to AP to a sector like in normal flight - allowing you to fly in very usefull directions, and also change direction to avoid camp by clicking, letting the ship turn, and then boosting


QUOTE EDIT (to respond to your edit): You dont fly in circles if you dont move the mouse... /doh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doh:" border="0" alt="doh.gif" />[/quote]we fly in circles because we try to move the mouse to where the minimap is and then to our horror see the ship turn instead.

not moving the mouse doesnt help, because we are then back to flying streight, which is what this "fix" was supposed to "fix"

i have calmed down now /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> that i know something is going to be done about it.

QUOTE In response to issues about were game play changes 'approved'. This really only effects CortUI users, that UI effects game play, was that approved? Don't get me wrong, I love CortUI. My point is not everything gets approved and an advantage you had over some players is no longer there. This can be discussed in circles for pages but would be a waste of everyones time.[/quote]

cort UI was truley optional.

if users are at a disadvantage by not using it, they can download it.
if they dont like all the changes, they could always have asked me for my modded ui file, which adds nice things like minimap during launch, rip count down during launch and on f3, eye in launch animation (and f3, or was that there anyway?) and maybe some other things, that i cant remember (due to getting used to them).

well, i need to revise my earlier hatred of the new mouse on launch ani cuz we got into an htt scrap today and it made recapping a hella lot easier for me. I still would like a toggle but since dogbones has already addressed this I'll shutup now.

...and ty devs for all the hard work. it IS appreciated even if it doesn't always sound that way. It's just frustrating for all us "gotta have it now" ppl to have to wait for another release. Keep up the good work though.

madpeople wrote:QUOTE (madpeople @ Aug 3 2006, 01:22 PM) wrong

if you mod your ui file to include the minimap during launch animation (or use cort ui) you can tell AP to AP to a sector like in normal flight - allowing you to fly in very usefull directions, and also change direction to avoid camp by clicking, letting the ship turn, and then boosting

Or I could just leave the UI alone and get away faster/more effectively.

madpeople wrote:QUOTE (madpeople @ Aug 3 2006, 01:22 PM) we fly in circles because we try to move the mouse to where the minimap is and then to our horror see the ship turn instead.

I know its SOOO bad you need to take the 5 mins to get used to it...

madpeople wrote:QUOTE (madpeople @ Aug 3 2006, 01:22 PM) not moving the mouse doesnt help, because we are then back to flying streight, which is what this "fix" was supposed to "fix"

Fixed it perfectly for me /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

madpeople wrote:QUOTE (madpeople @ Aug 3 2006, 01:22 PM) if users are at a disadvantage by not using it, they can download it.
if they dont like all the changes, they could always have asked me for my modded ui file, which adds nice things like minimap during launch, rip count down during launch and on f3, eye in launch animation (and f3, or was that there anyway?) and maybe some other things, that i cant remember (due to getting used to them).

See, I don't want these features. I like the way default Allegiance looks. I dont like my scree covered in crap that I could probably figure out myself.

TB

_SRM_TheBored wrote:QUOTE (_SRM_TheBored @ Aug 3 2006, 10:02 PM) Or I could just leave the UI alone and get away faster/more effectively.

ap sets you on a straight course, if you are turning even very slightly you accel slower. with mouse it is almost impossible to move it so you fly perfectly straight

QUOTE I know its SOOO bad you need to take the 5 mins to get used to it...[/quote]we are complaining about our functionality being lost / gameplay style being changed.

i would like to see you initiate a rip while in the launch animation

QUOTE Fixed it perfectly for me /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />[/quote]
well good for you, it broke it for some of us

QUOTE See, I don't want these features. I like the way default Allegiance looks. I don't like my scree covered in crap that I could probably figure out myself.[/quote]hence why i made my own ui mod which didn't have cort ui changes, it just turned what we already had on on screens where it was off.
un-less you are suggesting that you can tell if you are eyed or not while launching / on f3, that you don't use the minimap, that having the rip count down on f3 may not be handy (incase it cancles for some reason)

infact, i will highlight the last pary of my message that you quoted before replying with that statement

[quote=""me""]if users are at a disadvantage by not using it, they can download it.
if they dont like all the changes, they could always have asked me for my modded ui file, which adds nice things like minimap during launch, rip count down during launch and on f3, eye in launch animation (and f3, or was that there anyway?) and maybe some other things, that i cant remember (due to getting used to them).[/quote]

p.s. please dont call corts ui mod crap, he has worked very hard on it.

i dont use it because of the inventory problem in flight, and i wasnt too sure i liked the changes for the lobby.
i prefered how alleg looked origionally, so i kept it how it looked, i just enablled the features i liked from cort ui.

QUOTE This will get addressed but it will take some time, I don't see us doing an immediate release or roll back on this issue.[/quote]

Good enough for me! Enabling the toggle-button seems like the perfect solution to satisfy everyone. I just hope that this change does not take too long to implement.

And again, good work on everything else in FAZ. Thanks!

As for the discussion I think everything has been said. *Leaves quietly*

madpeople wrote:QUOTE (madpeople @ Aug 3 2006, 03:02 PM) ap sets you on a straight course, if you are turning even very slightly you accel slower. with mouse it is almost impossible to move it so you fly perfectly straight

I understand what you are saying in the first sentence, but not the second. Though the first point may be true, boosters compensate for the lost acceleration (Which usually doesnt matter because you ent up turning anyway).

madpeople wrote:QUOTE (madpeople @ Aug 3 2006, 03:02 PM) i would like to see you initiate a rip while in the launch animation

There are very, very few times where I would really need this. Why go through the trouble of modding the game and learning how to use it efficiently just to use it once a month?

madpeople wrote:QUOTE (madpeople @ Aug 3 2006, 03:02 PM) hence why i made my own ui mod which didn't have cort ui changes, it just turned what we already had on on screens where it was off.
un-less you are suggesting that you can tell if you are eyed or not while launching / on f3, that you don't use the minimap, that having the rip count down on f3 may not be handy (incase it cancles for some reason)

The only one I see use for is the rip count in F3 and that would just be nice to have... wouldnt change much.

madpeople wrote:QUOTE (madpeople @ Aug 3 2006, 03:02 PM) p.s. please dont call corts ui mod crap, he has worked very hard on it.

I didnt, I just called the stuff on the screen crap. He did a very good job on the mod.

BTW, we are horribly off topic.

TB

Pook wrote:QUOTE (Pook @ Aug 3 2006, 10:48 AM) The CORRECT answer to all of this is:

If the community at large doesn't like it, it can be reverted. Nothing is "in stone" and "unchangeable".

What's important are CLEAR, COHERANT, and MATURE discussion points on the topic. (In case you're wondering, there are several in this thread already that I would not include in the above 3 criteria)

/mrgreen.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="mrgreen.gif" />

I'm not asking for it to be removed, I'm just asking for an option to turn it off.

I still like this change. Its already made a positive difference for me, just like it did in testing. If it were to get changed back I would be disappointed.