Bios Poll

[Xeretov]

QUOTE (javaswiller @ Jul 3 2010, 02:43 AM) I have been complaining "incessantly"? Really, now? I have posted twice in this forum, both times on this thread. And you call that is incessantly?

Which part of "You and several others" is difficult for you to understand? Its sure as hell been incessant because damn near every time I check this forum there is more whining.

QUOTE Look, you asked me to come and offer input. I didn't just wander by and start "complaining".[/quote]
Really? Your first post here was deleted for the same "there isn't a no change option, clearly the dev team is doing whatever it wants and our input is worthless" garbage your second one was deleted for. And shortly your third.

QUOTE You (the developers) invited me, specifically, to come to this thread, specifically, and you said ... hey, this is important; you should vote[/quote]
And nowhere in that invitation does it mention whining in the poll thread. Nor does voting involve such a thing. In fact, my deleting your whining doesn't change your vote either!

QUOTE Meanwhile you are deleting.[/quote]
Because it has been stated over and over that we are making a change, yet you still haven't grasped this concept. I highly suggest you not post in this forum until you have reached such an understanding.

QUOTE it would only stand to reason that you don't value what the community might offer, that you had already decided what you were going to do any way, through eight-pages of discussion.[/quote]
I am $#@!ing amazed at how stupid you sound here. We don't value what the community might offer, so we ran an 8 page discussion and now a poll on which changes to make. Did you even bother to read this after you typed it in?

QUOTE Now, please don't waste any more of our time. My only criticism, idiot, is that you should either thicken your skin and stop deleting, or stop pretending like you care.[/quote]
My only criticism, idiot, is that you are a clueless voob who first demonstrated to me that you could not read the chat in game (by bombing a garr 5K from an aleph rather than the techbase 2K from it) and have reinforced that opinion by demonstrating you cannot read a forum either.

Edit for your edit: QUOTE (EDIT) that I didn't know about until you just told me, because, by golly, this was such an important thread that it didn't cross your mind to tell me about beforehand. (end EDIT)[/quote]There was an ASGS message sent out by spidey announcing the discussion thread just as there was one for the poll thread. If you couldn't be arsed to drop into the discussion with all of your lovely ideas then thats your problem.

[MrChaos]

DN tinkering was about as transparetnt as T-72 armor. I'm sure Noir wasn't using a Oujii board when making changes but it was very much a one man band approach to things.

Now there is discussion, which can pretty rough and tumble at times, and the community in general get some a lot of say in change. Those who care and those with clue (not always the same) banter about in the usual way making change to a series of complex ineractions get done.

Once the decision has been made to in fact make a change, a list of changes is presented for further discussion and a vote. So when we, I was one early days, for whatever reason, finally become aware of it and go "Hey! What's this? I don't want this change" Ww aren't being stinkers, just finally raising a voice about an area of the game we really care about for whatever reason. So it can be a little at times to read the responses to some of the people. Trust me I got the whole series of merit badges for snarky posts from AS, given the *facepalm* endless discussions on the most mundane $#@!ing bits of stuff and the endless repeating of the same $#@!ing *smashes a chair*..... errr where was I

Trust me I get the frustration, and the difficulty of herding kittens into a box nature of endeavour and why I tend to butt the $#@! out. I can feel the frustration in the replies from the team and why I chose to respond to FBD's post. It was under the probably mistaken belief there was confusion amongst the team as to why the hue and cry over this change. In hindsight (again) Id imagine this isnt far of the normal, well worn path of how any change in this community takes place.


Ive over analyzed it to death, and wasted all your time enough so until Ironman marries Dr Doom make mine Marvel

MrChaos

[javaswiller]

I have not once complained about you making a change or that I didn't get that option. Nowhere did I say that. I voted, and feel I made an informed vote.

Why you need to get so bent out of shape over anyone's opinion, why you need to insult people and why you feel the need to delete is beyond me. It shouldn't surprise you that people get offended by people with a God complex.

[MrChaos]

QUOTE (javaswiller @ Jul 3 2010, 01:45 AM) I have not once complained about you making a change or that I didn't get that option. Nowhere did I say that. I voted, and feel I made an informed vote.

Why you need to get so bent out of shape over anyone's opinion is beyond me. And why you feel the need to delete is beyond me, too.

Because discussion kind of go like this:

Spidey in his best spring dress and with his serious face
Ok let’s bring to order the refreshment committee for the High School Spring Dance "Rocking Out the EU!" First up the snacks subcommittee has been hearing that shelled peanuts are still causing a mess on the dance floor. While we all love shelled peanuts we have to do something to insure that the High School Spring Dance "Rocking Out the EU!" is a fun as e-var! Now let me warn you again stay on topic or I will personally come down there and kick your ass. Do you reall-y want to get your ass kicked by a man in a dress?

Ok let's open discussions with Xeretov

Xeretov stands up with a wary look on his face
Ok we have identified that indeed the shelled peanuts are a problem by direct observation, discussions with the janitors, and *points to a stack of photos* actual pictures of the issue. Now the committee has put together a little report I think will solve things nicely and your welcome to read it, I’ll leave it on the table *thump*

Person One
Why don’t we just have a designated area that people can only eat them?

Xeretov
Well we are understaffed and you would need to keep someone around the area to insure they didn’t shell them elsewhere. It tends to limit people's choice to and we tend to steer clear of that when we don't absolutely need to do it

Person One
Couldn't you make it so it was self policing at first? Limits man power at the dance but means more work to get everyone onboard

Xeretov fiddles with his propeller beanie
Well that might work, interesting approach let's add it

Person Two jumps up and says in an excited voice
I know! Why don't we just rearrange the shelled peanuts on the refreshment table so they are next to the trash can?

Xeretov
It doesn't solve the issue since they carry them elsewhere and shell them. Thanks for the input. Next

Person Two
If we put them really close to the trash can I just know it will work

Xeretov
It still doesn't solve, imho, the issue since they, again, carry them elsewhere and unless you have some evidence like *points to the pics and the docs* than let’s move forward.

Spidey smoothes his dress

Person Two
But I’m really SURE I’m right, and Becky agrees with me! Right Becky?

Becky
Right! I was telling Person Two this is just like those refreshment committee kids, they think they are so cool.

Spidey twirls the bows in his hair

Becky
And another thing Xeretov, Mutombo says you are...

A rushing noise, followed by the sounds of gurgling, then a slam of the door as Becky is booted through the door

Spidey
*nervous little giggle* Dear me that was unpleasant. Where were we? Oh yes I remember. *voice changes to that scary one that frightened you as a kid* You were saying Person Two?

Person Two
That I’m right you’re wrong and furthermore that was mean what you did to Becky!

Slam of door after Person Two is jettisoned

Spidey
Look, let's keep this on topic I don't want to ruin this new dress that I bought with someone's blood. One of my bows is askew now from that last bit so I’m going to lose my patience soon. Xeretov please continue.

Xeretov
Any other suggestions? If not I'd like to give a brief review of what the committee found...

Person Three
Can we have a better band? The last one sucked

Xeretov
*sigh* Music isn’t handled by us, they are meeting next Tuesday in the Library. I'd advise you to sit in the meeting and bring your concerns to them. They are a pretty cool bunch too

Person Three
Well I was thinking if you hired my band that would solve the whole shelled peanut issue

Xeretov annoyed voice
Exactly how would THAT work?

Person Three
Cause we would be rocking out so hard no one would eat any of the @#(!ty shelled peanuts *plays air guitar*

Person Four wearing peanuts are people too t-shirt
Yeah! Peanuts are oppressed by the man! That's why I came to this stupid meeting to tell you stop murdering the peanuts

Person Five
How do you figure they are @#(!ty Person Three, and Person Four you’re a loon

Person Three
Everyone knows they are even a jock like you.

Person Four
I’m a loon? You’re an idiot and stupid too! I’ve got all kind of evidence from PeanutsAreSentient.com if you want to see

Xeretov
Ok enough in this vein. We are off topic, it isn’t something we deal with, and the whole sentient peanut thing creeps me out. So stop or leave.

Person Three
You don't know good music!

Sounds of crashing and screams as Person Three and Person Four are removed by Spidey
Spidey
Person Five you want to follow?

Person Five
Hey man I'm saying shelled peanuts are NOT @#(!ty and why are we getting rid of them?

Xeretov
We aren't getting rid of them just figuring out how to deal with the shells

Peanut Five
Didn't you just say that shelled peanuts were @#(!ty and you wanted to get rid of them a few minutes ago?

Xeretov
No I never said that and Person Three said that shelled peanuts were @#(!ty not me

Person Five
There you said it again! Shelled peanuts are not @#(!ty! You are an @#$%@# for even saying it!

Spidey stands up, an excited buzz starts, and everyone in the room gets out their umbrellas
sounds of a wood chipper, followed by screams, along with clapping and laugher

Xeretov
Ok thanks for the suggestions, even the stupid ones, and we will post a list of possible solutions for the school to vote on shortly

The list gets posted and Person Four starts a "Save the Shelled Peanut" campaign since you know, they are people too
The school goes into an uproar over losing the Shelled Peanut for the High School Spring Dance "Rocking Out the EU!"
Nasty words are spoken in the halls by all, and when those who weren't there for the refreshment committee meeting are wondering wtf is going on

So when the Seniors from the Class of 2011 "We will rulez the world!" ask some of the same questions all over again, the response is:

Xeretov removes his propeller beanie, dons the mask and cape
Cause I’m mother $#@!ing Batman now choose!

[NightRychune]

you forgot the kid that's all ODOYLE RULES

[juckto]

If you delete MrC's post for being OT, I will cut you.

[Broodwich]

its like a summation of things i didnt read, that i didnt read
wonderful!

[Drizzo]

If I could slip out of hiatus for a moment to interject; BIOS saw a sharp pivot in difficulty to command and difficulty to counter (one side went down and the other went up) with the advent of the decreased con prep time.

I think everyone is incorrectly voting to have their paydays nerfed (Which are fine as is, it's a niche BIOS deserves to have and I will explain why) and should be correctly voting for increasing the con prep times back to standard.

BIOS has been great at holding onto things but not so good at taking ground. Making them deploy cons faster enabled them to take faster, giving them more ground to hold thus more time thus a greater chance at victory. Reducing their ability to take ground would bring them back in line, with an adjustment to the fighter's ability to deploy prox (I don't find it that big an issue, but there is a massive gap in skill and knowledge between myself and oh I don't know one of the random people posting here).

Examining squad game trends, BIOS is a card rarely played in the upper echelon, not because it's PuG-Good (read: forgiving) but because you can't $#@!ing do anything if you have a payday economy in a squad game. I feel altering the paydays would harm the fundamentals too much.

Please examine BIOS logically before you vote on a change and select the appropriate one. The reason why paydays for BIOS are so effective lies with them being able to rapidly take territory for them to acquire the precious few miner loads they need to get their war machine rolling. Reducing their ability to do just that would be a much more effective then just altering their paydays which does nothing about addressing their current ability to get what they need.

Now I'm going to go back to being away and I will play again when I damn well feel like it, no more PM's please.

[aptest]

you know,
I've been thinking about this.
you guys have been considering nerfing the bios payday to cut their ability to payday tech.
but this has to be balenced with other issues like their ability to pay for cons and miners.
so why do this instead of increasing their research costs to normal or maybe 20% below normal?
This measure achieves the same effect you want, but has considerabely less side-effects.
just my 2 cents.

[Xeretov]

QUOTE (juckto @ Jul 3 2010, 06:05 AM) If you delete MrC's post for being OT, I will cut you.

Posts above a certain mythical threshold of awesomeness are pretty much immune to deletion.

Also, MrC's post has summed up what my response to java would've been but in a much more entertaining fashion.