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There has been no change to the bios fig scale AFAIK. It is the only fig that didn't get a scale reduction.

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Oct 5 2009, 06:56 PM) So bios fighter was always tiny?

Alleg+R12 increased BIOS Fig size from 10.3 to 12... There was no change on DN side.

Damn, I must be demented. So everything else has been beefed, but they've always been toy size?
I can't remember then being tiny, I only remember bios being slow and stealthy. I do trust Vly though, since he has the memory of an alephant.

Thanks for digging up those older changes pkk. I owe you one.

I have better things than the memory of an elephant... they are called AW3.IGC and Ice.exe.

Imo, if the fighter scale change is reverted(figs gets their old scale back), bios figs should get bigger as well.

What I'd suggest is:

Keep IC figs the same
Raise the scale of bios figs by 11.1111%
Bring back the scale of all other figs to their original values(11.1111% larger).

I think that adept's pictures are interesting, but comparing the biggest with the smallest isn't the best way to think it up particularly since IC figs are already known to be too large.

I personally don't mind bios figs being smaller than other figs. I think the main problem is that figs are already small.

I'm personally much more worried about proxes. I'm not going to suggest to just remove them, but I don't like the way prox on figs changed bios.

Some history:
Before, bios early game was awfull. GS sucked(even if they were free) and their figs weren't really great. Bios figs didn't have anything special before HC. It took forever for bios to get any decent tech. The MS devs decided to give light versions of every ships with a techbase(so they got light ints and light SFs). To "balance" the tech path, the devs gave bios free MP at the same time(Which boosted bios' defense as sup) and allowed their figs to load them.


I think that giving bios basic figs proxes at the start was a wrong move. I'd like to see bios figs become able to load proxes AFTER they got a Sup(Either with a special fighter between basic and enh or a special prox) rather than at the start of the game.

phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ Oct 3 2009, 05:12 PM) Oh in that case I'm going to make a faction where it's "quirk" is that its ints are about the size of a gat sprite. it's just a "quirk" right, and just part of faction flavor, so it's ok right?

Way to be an @#$%@# and put words in my mouth.
A quirk in this case is a slight difference.

Look at this way.
The bios fig is balanced as is. IMO of course

BIOS tradeoff is easy to hit ints and hard to hit bios figs. I say leave it. Now the prox thing, i dont care.

:Edit:

Additionally, you may have forgotten how awful IC Enh. fig gun mounts were. Those were changed in DN at my request (not sure why i would have cared about sup tech since i hate sup - i think i was more of a tac hater back then or something). So IC has received a lot of perks for its figs.

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Oct 6 2009, 09:35 AM) Additionally, you may have forgotten how awful IC Enh. fig gun mounts were. Those were changed in DN at my request (not sure why i would have cared about sup tech since i hate sup - i think i was more of a tac hater back then or something). So IC has received a lot of perks for its figs.

Changes on IC Fighters, that's really a lot:
New gunmounts
Fighter related changes which effected all factions:
Minepacks on Fighters (except BIOS)More scanrangeReduced RipCost

PS: Changes between DN_000001 to DN_000460.

Hellsyng wrote:QUOTE (Hellsyng @ Oct 5 2009, 09:14 PM) Look at this way.
The bios fig is balanced as is. IMO of course

Then say that, not "it's just a quirk" because a quirk isn't necessarily balanced. At the CC forum we're not worried about making each faction feel "quirky" we're about making them feel "balanced."

Either way, the poll results are in, the majority has spoken. Leave 'em

I dont know how the code works for this, but is there some way to slow down bios figs more for carrying prox or heavy cargo? Prox is most useful on the aleph, and if the figs time to get to the aleph when loaded with lots of prox is greater, then there is still an advantage, but less of one.