Vets with Zero rank hider nicks

Post by **Raveen** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:16 pm

Orion wrote:QUOTE (Orion @ Dec 31 2008, 03:35 PM) What does it matter if he isn't whoring on the newbie server? If someone is circumventing a ban, then they should be treated as a separate person to commit separate offenses. If the person who played as Frag (for example) begins playing under a different name, he will eventually either make the same mistakes and be banned again, or he wont, and thus he's learned his lesson.

Just let things take their natural course and remove the pantie wad from your collective butt cracks.

As usual, arbitrary and stupid is the rule.

Ever predictable Onion!

So let me get this straight, if someone is crashing games they should be banned and then allowed to come back straight away under a new nick where they can keep destroying games pretty much forever? In which case why bother banning them? Not to mention why bother having a stats system if stats can't be tied to any given individual? Why waste all the admin time on repeatedly banning the same people for the same stuff when they know they have impunity?

Really Onion, you need to try a little harder in future, normally your trolling is of a much higher standard.

Post by **TheBored** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:25 pm

BlackViper wrote:QUOTE (BlackViper @ Dec 31 2008, 08:06 AM) Yep, I do it for my ego. Rather than continue the fight with the minority, I offer some reference on why they react like they do.

Good Read, I have purchased the book.

How bad is the problem? There are dozens of books on the subject in print.

Please don't imply that they are cheaters. If you have some divine insight that needs to be shared, clarify.

TB

Sindertone · Post by **Sindertone** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:37 pm

juckto wrote:QUOTE (juckto @ Dec 30 2008, 06:47 PM) They fly like one. Also, you forgot:

I did not do not want to link this computer to mine as there is a small, but distinct, possibility that Arkof's girlfriend may want to play Allegiance some day.

I recall it specifically being in the ToC that if a player were to use a computer belonging to someone else that a hider was to be used, so as not to confuse the computer's owner with the visiting pilot.
I can't seem to find this in the RoC just now.. perhaps it was removed? I don't recall a ASGS message about this rule modification. It was certainly clear at the time that playing on someone elses machine was permissible. Seems an important detail. We should have been informed. Juckto would not be having problems otherwise.

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:11 pm

Raveen wrote:QUOTE (Raveen @ Dec 31 2008, 11:16 AM) Ever predictable Onion!

So let me get this straight, if someone is crashing games they should be banned and then allowed to come back straight away under a new nick where they can keep destroying games pretty much forever? In which case why bother banning them? Not to mention why bother having a stats system if stats can't be tied to any given individual? Why waste all the admin time on repeatedly banning the same people for the same stuff when they know they have impunity?

Really Onion, you need to try a little harder in future, normally your trolling is of a much higher standard.

Ever predictable Raveen! Always completely missing the point.

It's not the automatic account linking that I'm opposed to, it's the witch-hunt for people who essentially haven't done anything wrong. Vets who haven't actually broken any rules who are simply playing on someone else's computer.

Say, I've got an idea, how about we all just play with our real names + our social security number or something... like Bill Henderson_453-355-3225

Your_Persona · Post by **Your_Persona** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:13 pm

Pretty stupid that someone will be treated like a cheater if they install allegiance at a friends house and want to play a few games there.

He never cheated, he didn't do anything wrong, and he was threated with a 1 year ban for the sake of...

"If I don't treat him harshly, then someone could potentially cheat, and potentially be at a friends house or new computer, and we can't let someone who might be banned potentially be using a different computer, so we should nuke this guy to make an example... Just in case.."

Not to mention BV was so pissed, he didn't even wait for an explanation, and had to ban the guy right then... like if he didn't he would lose his chance some how.

Pretty stupid if you think about it.

No one allowed install alleg at a friends house anymore and play on their computer.

Post by **Raveen** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:16 pm

Orion wrote:QUOTE (Orion @ Dec 31 2008, 06:11 PM) Ever predictable Raveen! Always completely missing the point.

It's not the automatic account linking that I'm opposed to, it's the witch-hunt for people who essentially haven't done anything wrong. Vets who haven't actually broken any rules who are simply playing on someone else's computer.

Say, I've got an idea, how about we all just play with our real names + our social security number or something... like Bill Henderson_453-355-3225

Sorry Orion, I took the quote below to mean that you wanted to not have account linking and ban nicks with the idea that the player would make new nicks and either get banned again or play nice.

Orion wrote:QUOTE (Orion @ Dec 31 2008, 03:35 PM) If someone is circumventing a ban, then they should be treated as a separate person to commit separate offenses. If the person who played as Frag (for example) begins playing under a different name, he will eventually either make the same mistakes and be banned again, or he wont, and thus he's learned his lesson.

Can I ask what you actually did mean?

juckto · Post by **juckto** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:51 pm

QUOTE juckto should've played his cards differently.[/quote]
QFT

sgt_baker · Post by **sgt_baker** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:53 pm

Would you all please calm down and stop the @#(!-slinging?

I imagine that BV gets annoyed(5) to pissed(10) every now and then. Remember that he's the one tasked with policing the asshattery our community dishes out on a regular and unremitting basis. The rules are designed to prevent the worst-case scenario, yet need enforcing in all cases despite the seeming 'innocence' of someone logging in with someone else's machine.

None of you are in a position to comment on the amount of time or brain-ache that BV expends attempting to keep things straight. Frankly, the most vocal in this thread have a point (a year is too much - and that notion has been rescinded), yet are going about vocalising this in a reactionary and, dare I say it, Dramatic™ manner.

Give BV a break... PLEASE. Imagine what things would be like if he reacted in the same fashion as you lot (you know who you are) every time something went a bit tits up.

I impose a NY resolution for 2009: Chill before posting. Relax before debating.

Baker

Youngmoose · Post by **Youngmoose** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:10 pm

I like cake.

peet · Post by **peet** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:24 pm

Each time I reinstall Windows and thus have to install Alleg I get a "link warning". A PM to TE, BV or so fixes it usually within hours. Not such a big deal IMHO.

I noticed that BV handles very consistent and consequent. It is not the first time punishments are issued and it should not be a surprise that BV acted in that way - anyone visiting this forum for more then 2 months should know.

If you get a formal warning you should know there is no room for "negotiations" at that time. There is plenty of opportunity later in the forum or so. Again, not a surprise. Worst case is you lose 1 hour of gameplay.

There are plenty of opportunities to file a complaint if you feel unjustified. Not in game that is. If an error is made, it will show in the forum debate. Until that time I will trust BV he acts like a good housekeeper, as he did before. BV has proven to be man enough to admit he is wrong. You can count the punished players who admit they were wrong on one hand.

One could think I'm biased because I'm also in his squad. Seeing BV in this private forum I noticed he's an integer man who will defend his Alleg baby with all might. I can not help wondering what will happen to Alleg if Dramah Queens invade it.

My .02.